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to learn all the details so today

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we have james clarkson who formerly was

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the washington state director of mufon

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our guest co-host is jay randall murphy

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now before we get into

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james background

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as a ufo investigator and his direct

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confrontation with what might be called

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the mufon follies

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let me just get a few things out of the

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first thing

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i've mentioned here that we've asked jan

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harzam the executive director

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of mufon to come on the power cast to

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talk

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about the various questions that have

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arisen about the organization

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he has had different reasons for saying

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no the first time he needed to prepare

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for the

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conference we're going to ask james

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about that conference in a little while

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and the second thing is

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now they apparently have to vacate their

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offices

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because the building has been sold and

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they have to vacate those offices in

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three weeks so this month is out and

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hopefully he'll be available in

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september unless there's another reason

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but we'll give him the benefit of the

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doubt here

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let's continue

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james

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before you ever became

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associated with mufon you started life

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as a law enforcement officer can you

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give us a brief look at the background

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well i'm a child of the

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50s era

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i adored the movie the day the earth

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stood still

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if i had to attribute my perspective

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on everything to one person i guess it's

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all rod serling's fault

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with the twilight zone meanwhile as i

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got older

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i gradually gravitated to the idea that

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i wanted to be a policeman

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looking back on

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those two career paths i managed to do

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both of them i grew up in the san

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francisco bay area

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i eventually enlisted in the army

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as the vietnam era was closing down i

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became a military policeman

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then a plane closed military policeman i

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spent most of my

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tour of duty

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when i got out i went into law

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enforcement in washington state i ended

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up being hired by

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the city of aberdeen on the coast of

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washington

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for 20 years

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versus a sergeant

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during that time i wore numerous hats i

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a fatal accident team

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the investigation section

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a injury took me out of that

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i ended up being a child abuse detective

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we moved to where we are now in olympia

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washington

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and i spent the next 10 years

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working for the state government

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as a fraud investigator

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in the professional license department

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of licensing

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meanwhile

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ever since i was very young i've always

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been interested in ufos and

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that i took action on that

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which is when i called the phone number

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for the national ufo reporting center in

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seattle washington

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it was answered by a man named robert

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gribble

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who was a retired seattle firefighter

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and i told him i said i don't want to

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report a ufo

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i want to know how i can get involved

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and he said have you ever heard of mufon

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and as a result i ended up joining mufon

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and i have been continuously a member of

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mufon

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from 1987

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until very recently with the exception

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of a

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of 2011 when i was out of mufon for one

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so now we begin to

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involved in dealing with the so-called

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mufon volleys

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so let's get some more information going

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here folks

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let me ask you then why were you out of

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mufon for a year

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back in 2011 there was a lady named

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marie malzahn

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and that sort of fits into the current

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situation

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because marie malzahn was a bit of a

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she had never been a member of a

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state mufon organization that i know of

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i did find out her backstory

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that she had made a major cash

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contribution

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to mufon so

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she would have been the

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2011 equivalent of a member of the inner

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circle

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and she was appointed

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as director of investigations

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which is a very important position

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in mufon

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to make a long story short i was trying

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to help one of my investigators

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get on to the case management system

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and she basically became very angry with

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me

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and started saying you either do what i

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tell you or else

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and i reminded her that this was a

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volunteer

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organization so

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it went downhill from there

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and i quit

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to make a long story short

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that was it for about a year for me and

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so why did you come back

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well that was sort of funny because um

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about a year or so later my wife

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had been a member of mufon and a

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qualified as a field investigator

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she quit the same time i did not too

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surprisingly

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and all at once she started getting

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advertising about a year later saying uh

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would you like to rejoin mufon

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and so i wrote back in kind of

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tongue-in-cheek

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and said you know that's kind of like

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trying to

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persuade uh

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maid marion to leave sherwood forest

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and come join the sheriff of nottingham

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dave mcdonald bless his heart was the

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director then

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and he thought that was funny also

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and he reached out to me and we had a

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very good conversation and he made the

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2011 was what i

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affectionately referred to

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as the year of the purges

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there were several state directors who

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there were several state directors who

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that all this was

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going on all around me and i didn't even

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after i left

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it was a very strange time in mufon's

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history but dave mcdonald was put back

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in there and he told me when he came

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he said that mufon very nearly

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went financially under

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at the end of that year it was a very

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dark time

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and he said there weren't very many

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people who had left mufon that he wanted

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to invite back but he he said you are

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one of them that i would invite back

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on that basis i accepted i came back i

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worked for a few months on

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double secret extended probation and

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very quickly i was back as the state

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director of washington which is where i

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why he came back

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[Music]

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chris o'brien's on special assignment

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probably will be back for this week's

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after the power cast j randall murphy

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joins us

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we're talking to james clarkson

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by the way listener asked what might be

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a silly question or not

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you at all related to kelly clarkson

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interesting question the answer is no

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not to my knowledge

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okay there you go i mean there are also

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gene steinbergs out there that are not

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me

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okay

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they are out there

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and i don't know if they feel better or

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worse for it to have the same name as i

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do

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just to let you know about that there

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are others all right so you rejoined

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mufon after this year hiatus

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david mcdonald convinced you to come

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back

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now

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obviously something began to sour

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the relationship when did it start to go

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bad for you

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well i'd have to trace that back to i

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would say the 2013 mufon symposium

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which ironically is in exactly the same

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location and venue as this year's

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which was i believe the hyatt regency

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uh it's a resort casino hotel

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in sutherland nevada right outside of

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las vegas and i attended that event and

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we had our state directors meeting

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and it was all about the fact that dave

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mcdonald was leaving

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and that jan harzan was going to be

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the new director

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and i knew nothing about jan harzan no

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background with him at all and i

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accepted that a lot of the things that

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the mufon board does

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are very mysterious

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especially if you're not one of the

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i guess there are a few state directors

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who are always in the know and i suspect

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that the inner circle

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knows what's going on but the average

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state director probably doesn't the

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mufon board is kind of like a mysterious

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black box because they appoint their own

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people say we ought to reform mufon we

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ought to do this we ought to do that

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well that's all well and good except

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that the way mufon is structured they're

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under no obligation to listen to anybody

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because they're self-appointing and

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self-perpetuating so jan harzan is the

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new director and that goes along pretty

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well

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until all at once

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we find out that he wants to

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you know his background is being a

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businessman

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so he wants to rebrand mufon

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so i i go with that i'm willing to roll

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with that

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but we get this survey and the part that

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was interesting for me there are

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basically two kinds of mufon state

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directorships

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there are the haves and the have-nots

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there are some states that have

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very robust

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developed organizations

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they have a large number of people they

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have

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people in all the correct positions

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they have regular meetings

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they

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even do their own mini symposiums

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they collect money they have dues many

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of them are incorporated there are also

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quite a number of state directorships

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that are not

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and they are struggling just to get by

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i inherited my directorship from

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a charming couple who unfortunately were

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becoming quite elderly

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and in fact larry childs he just passed

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away about a week ago at 94 years of age

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so when they got too old to run the

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mufon in washington state they asked me

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if i would take it over

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i was working full-time many of the

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people in mufon

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have full-time jobs so whatever you do

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it's on the side and you balance that

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against work and family

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and all of that

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i never was quite able to get the

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organization going i had meetings in

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olympia

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if i collected money from donations it

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was maybe enough to pay to rent the room

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i never managed to get to the level

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of these larger organizations

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well the business consultants

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they interviewed three of the haves

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and three of the have-nots

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so i was one of the people who got the

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in-depth interview and what bothered me

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was

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they didn't ask

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about problems i was having recruiting

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they didn't ask about difficulties with

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the case management system or being

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asked to do

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lengthy forms

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on every case no matter how marginal

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it might be

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and bear in mind that every one of those

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cases takes time they wanted to know

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have you incorporated how much money do

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you bring in and how much can you donate

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to headquarters

485
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i guess looking back on it that was the

486
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first warning sign

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then we go forward and i noticed that

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the types of speakers

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that were being selected for the

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symposium

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were becoming

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i guess i should just say it straight

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out

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less rooted in reality

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more speculative

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you know that of course is

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probably the major debate

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in the entire field of ufology and i

499
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that's something that i guess every

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researcher has to deal with is you know

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what are you willing to accept is true

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because to the best of my knowledge i

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don't think any of us

504
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can summon up a ufo

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and have it appear right outside the

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window or bring in an alien and have him

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to dinner and interview him you know and

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until we can do that

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we are inevitably accepting a lot of

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things

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on faith it may be based on a reasonable

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drawn from a series of facts

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but when all is said and done we don't

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really you know have definitive proof

515
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one way or the other well i look at it

516
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this way certainly we can't invite dr

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who to dinner

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except perhaps the actor or now actress

519
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:38,559
who plays him or her there you go right

520
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we can invite that person to dinner and

521
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then again if et wanted to come to

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dinner

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would they even like what we give them

524
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you know do they want pizza and pot

525
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stickers

526
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,760
you know aliens i thought aliens want

527
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:53,280
pizza and pot stickers that's what

528
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:56,320
supergirl likes but seriously speaking

529
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that is wacky and we used to to go back

530
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,039
in history

531
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:03,360
we really used to have

532
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:05,679
a really strong line of demarcation here

533
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between serious ufology and the cracked

534
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,679
side of the saucer did you raise your

535
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concerns seeing this type of

536
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lecturer come to this symposium

537
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,360
yes to the extent that it's possible but

538
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they don't exactly solicit your opinions

539
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i know that other directors

540
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had spoken up and said you know that

541
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they

542
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and all of that but it didn't it didn't

543
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seem to make any difference

544
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when the state directors

545
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are upset about something

546
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:39,760
it really doesn't have much of an effect

547
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,679
on anything mufon is not an organization

548
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:46,080
that responds to

549
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:49,679
what people on the bottom want

550
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:52,400
well that is very unfortunate there's no

551
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:55,039
place where you can just ask

552
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the board or

553
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:59,440
jan harzan directly for some feedback on

554
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something

555
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:02,960
you can do that you can make an inquiry

556
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:05,360
but part of the problem is

557
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the mufon symposium occurs once a year

558
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i believe this year they may have had a

559
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,080
lengthier state directors meeting but in

560
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the past state directors meetings

561
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the one opportunity where you could be

562
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with your cohorts

563
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unless you saw them

564
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during the breaks at the symposium the

565
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actual formal meeting was one hour

566
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hey let's break it here

567
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talk more about the mufon follies with

568
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james clarkson and jean and randall

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chris o'brien should be back in time for

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after the power cast james clarkson the

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former state director

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of mufon washington state now talking

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about the kind of lack of interaction

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between

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state directors and the organization

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so continue please

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the only way that you would really know

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what was going on would be occasionally

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of course you have to consult with

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state directors or investigators in

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other states and inevitably you you know

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talk about your concerns and how's it

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going and you know how do you see the

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world but

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you don't really have

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direct contact so you don't really know

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you know frequently you hear about well

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so and so quit

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or so and so retired or you know

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something is going on but it's it's

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always way after the fact and it's

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it's accidental discovery not a

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dissemination of

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organizational news

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that would be useful to everybody or at

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least of concern to everybody and

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something that would promote more unity

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well what about the journal then is is

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that just sort of uh kind of a facade

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for all of this that you know the the

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guys at the top sort of pay their

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buddies with the printing presses to

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produce or how does that work then well

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the journal has basically been a good

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thing and i have to say that over time

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it has gotten better

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the journal is basically to inform

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subscribers

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about various ufo cases it's

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if you can say such a thing it's pretty

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much nuts and bolts ufology in keeping

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with the type of mission that i felt was

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mufon's greatest strength i viewed mufon

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as kind of the steady old ship of

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ufology something that would always be

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basically on course and would be pretty

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solid in other words it wouldn't be

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advocating the most

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radical or strange theories and it would

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always be there as as a responsible

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agency where

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reasonable investigative protocols were

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followed where people would try to

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investigate with integrity and not just

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go for sensationalism but i truly

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believe

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that's like believing in the dinosaurs

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right now i mean it's it's gone it just

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isn't here anymore

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what bothered me very much james is when

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i had jan harzan here the last time

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and he's been a presentable guest he's a

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good salesperson i guess a lot of this

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is about marketing a product rather than

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trying to do investigations which i

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think pretty much answers all the

748
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concerns here in many respects

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so i

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talked to him about

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the limitations i felt in the way that

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mufon structured its questionnaires and

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i said i think you need to focus very

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much on not just the event but the

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witness

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learn more about them about their

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background they had previous ufo

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experiences what about other paranormal

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experiences what about their family

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close friends

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there's a lot of information there that

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gives us a better understanding of the

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witness and that could be

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as far as i'm concerned and certainly a

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position we've taken and i'd like to

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hear yours

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a very significant point and he says

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well certainly if they volunteer that

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information

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then of course we'll include it but

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they're not going to make an effort to

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ask but then he also admitted on the

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show that he was rooting for eth

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extraterrestrial hypothesis

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so the question i have here is how can

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you have a scientific research

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organization if you prejudge your

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conclusion

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well number one you can't i mean i i

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don't know how else to answer that

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00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,640
question

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number two

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to kind of back up for a moment

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i think that jan harzan is a very nice

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man i'm not trying to paint him as a

786
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villain

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the problem i have

788
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is that i want some honesty you can't

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call yourself

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a scientific investigative organization

791
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if you're not going to do scientific

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investigations

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or at least do

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what i would call

795
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a good solid police investigation where

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you try to rule out the people that

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don't make any sense or have no

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credibility but we're not doing that

799
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anymore and we've abandoned that and i

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guess the crux

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of everything for me with mufon

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is that jan harzan as a good businessman

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00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,559
may be what mufon

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has to have

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to survive

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but that may be a sad commentary

807
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,399
on the nature of ufology and also on big

808
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,039
organizations in general because

809
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you know people are not joining things

810
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the way they used to it's very hard to

811
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get

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people to come to meetings or you know

813
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support their local mufon group or

814
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:30,799
everybody struggles everybody who's in

815
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:33,679
mufon or organizations like that

816
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,399
trying to take care of volunteers

817
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,039
really is like herding cats

818
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trying to to supervise

819
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people who are volunteering to be

820
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investigators

821
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,679
is extremely difficult you mentioned the

822
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idea

823
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of wanting to get that in-depth

824
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background investigation of your witness

825
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i totally agree with that but here's the

826
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problem

827
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in order to get more people involved

828
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they want to sell more memberships they

829
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want people to become field

830
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investigators

831
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the test become certified once you do

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that

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you have to give them something to do

834
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the something to do

835
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is what those of us in the field call

836
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lits

837
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licensed sky cases and if you drown in

838
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those cases which most state

839
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directorships

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do

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and you spend all of your time wading

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through

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i saw light in the sky that made a right

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angle turn

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that was at an indeterminate distance

846
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:41,840
from the witness

847
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,120
if you're required to do a big long form

848
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,200
to investigate that

849
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,039
who's paying attention to the really

850
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,039
important cases

851
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,679
where you really want that in-depth

852
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,240
witness interview which i totally agree

853
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:58,720
with you that's the way you get a deeper

854
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:01,760
understanding is to understand

855
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,120
how this event has affected the witness

856
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,200
when i look back on my

857
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,000
30 years of doing this the cases that

858
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:12,000
stand out to me

859
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:13,679
are the cases where

860
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:16,800
i've really gotten to know the witness

861
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,760
and i've really gotten a feel for what

862
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,359
their experience

863
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:23,919
did to them as much as

864
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,480
you know an interviewer can know

865
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,560
getting to know a stranger

866
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:30,560
isn't it also true as a law enforcement

867
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,679
officer

868
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,359
when you're investigating a case the

869
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more you know about the witness the more

870
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,440
you can evaluate the credibility and

871
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,359
certainly if someone is a suspect or a

872
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:41,119
potential suspect

873
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,639
that way by understanding their

874
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,639
background you can see where you might

875
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:47,359
find evidence right precisely and you

876
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,800
also are providing an insurance policy

877
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for your prosecutor

878
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,399
because the one thing you learn

879
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frequently as a detective

880
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:58,079
when you are really working for the

881
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prosecutor

882
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,560
be surprised

883
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,560
they don't want to find out at the 11th

884
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,800
hour that there is something really

885
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,200
wrong with their key witness

886
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,280
that will get a prosecutor more upset

887
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,599
more quickly than just about anything i

888
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,880
could think of

889
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,960
well we've all watched law order in any

890
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,960
one of these tv procedurals so you can

891
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kind of see because they you know in a

892
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,160
very rough way

893
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,040
sometimes approximate reality so they

894
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have to look for the things that might

895
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,480
cause a problem later on

896
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:33,119
and then how to deal with them i think

897
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,800
what we're coming up with here is that

898
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mufon

899
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,000
has changed from

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00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,320
an investigative organization

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to

902
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an entertainment company this is all

903
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,960
about entertainment ufos are about

904
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entertainment that explains for example

905
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,160
the flaws in hangar one the tv show it's

906
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:51,920
all about entertainment there's a

907
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,400
superficial resemblance between the

908
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,320
cases you see there and possibly the

909
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,760
real cases

910
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,920
but it's like ripped from the headlines

911
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:01,520
on law and order

912
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,000
svu it's basically a docudrama now where

913
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,839
they take the core

914
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,520
event and they

915
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:11,119
exaggerate it now when you have a show

916
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like this forthcoming

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blue book or something that's being

918
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produced by robert zemeckis as producer

919
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of the show

920
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:19,920
and they use dr j allen heineck as the

921
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lead character it's a sci-fi show even

922
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,920
though it's based on reality you don't

923
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,839
look at that thing and say hey this is

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what really happened we've got more to

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come and we hope that you'll like what

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we do and that you'll be entertained but

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the show is about information james

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clarkson joins us with jay randall

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murphy i'm gene steinberg you're in the

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[Music]

1032
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,920
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

1033
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encyclopedia in other books you're

1034
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listening to the peercast

1035
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,270
so let's continue here with the souring

1036
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,920
of your relationship with mufon what

1037
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,599
other factors

1038
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:30,720
kind of really stuck in the craw there i

1039
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,119
guess part of it was that i along the

1040
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,359
way i got asked to be on the special

1041
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,119
assignments team

1042
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:38,960
i'm not quite sure how that got

1043
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:42,480
germinated i do know that chase kletzke

1044
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,599
she felt she was forced out of mufon

1045
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,920
uh about the same time that i was having

1046
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trouble beforehand

1047
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,599
and i don't quite remember when she came

1048
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,880
back but

1049
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,359
she was made director of this

1050
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,200
new organization called the special

1051
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,640
assignments team

1052
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,079
and that was kind of fun in the

1053
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beginning

1054
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,160
we had a special website forum

1055
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,079
with high security

1056
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,079
and the people who were involved in it

1057
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:09,760
it was like a

1058
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,040
a forum where a select group of people

1059
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could get together and bounce ideas off

1060
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,400
of each other

1061
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,640
it was sort of like what i admired in

1062
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,280
that group the blue blurry lines

1063
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,200
the people who took down the roswell

1064
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:24,640
slides

1065
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,880
group

1066
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yes they were wonderful as a former

1067
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detective sergeant i loved those guys i

1068
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liked a lot of the way the sat team

1069
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,000
operated

1070
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,800
everybody was an equal they jumped in

1071
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,200
people were trying to solve problems

1072
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,680
verify information or prove that

1073
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,400
information was bad i mean it was great

1074
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,880
we were trying to do our jobs we were

1075
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:52,720
basically working through

1076
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,079
jan harzan's inbox

1077
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,560
people who contact the organization

1078
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,000
this is not meant to be critical of

1079
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,880
mufon i think it's it's inevitable you

1080
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:05,359
have people who will only talk to the

1081
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,640
boss

1082
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,200
what they have is so secret and so

1083
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,160
sensitive and so shattering that they

1084
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,800
can only talk to jan harzan they can't

1085
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,040
make a regular report they can't talk to

1086
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,599
a state director or a field investigator

1087
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,000
they have to talk to jan harzan

1088
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,319
well uh blue blurry lines yeah that's uh

1089
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,000
kurt collins and he's a regular

1090
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,800
contributor here on the paracast and uh

1091
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,640
very accessible really good guest he's

1092
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,119
been on the show as a guest hostess

1093
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:35,200
along with myself in the past yeah for

1094
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,240
sure gotta

1095
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,319
gotta agree with you there

1096
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,720
and in fact ironically

1097
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,040
that whole group of people and greg

1098
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,760
bishop were sitting across from me

1099
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in pepper's restaurant in roswell new

1100
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mexico

1101
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during the recent festival

1102
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and i had kind of an epiphany while i

1103
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was

1104
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,240
sitting there and i guess that's sort of

1105
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,040
the end of this tale but to continue

1106
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:00,880
where we were

1107
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,920
i just felt like i i was on the sat team

1108
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,480
that the better job we did

1109
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,040
the less popular we were with jan harzan

1110
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:12,160
because let's face it most of the cases

1111
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that we

1112
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,839
tried to unravel turned out to be

1113
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founded in almost nothing

1114
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,240
when you really looked at it i

1115
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investigated the guy who

1116
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claimed

1117
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that he had been

1118
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he knew where the school was

1119
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where they trained the men in black

1120
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right i understand that will smith went

1121
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to it

1122
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,839
yes yes and tommy lee jones

1123
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:39,760
he was the instructor

1124
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:40,560
with

1125
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,960
remember riptorn oh yeah elmore riptorn

1126
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,640
i think he's cousin of spacek

1127
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:49,920
basic

1128
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,990
forget i think we're going far afield

1129
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,240
but it sounds like it's wacky but go

1130
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,319
ahead it was a wacky case and i don't

1131
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,400
want to go i don't want to go into the

1132
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:04,079
whole thing but it turned out bottom

1133
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:05,040
line

1134
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,640
was that the guy

1135
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:09,359
he was so secretive he wouldn't tell us

1136
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,640
where he was he would only talk by phone

1137
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,680
he was supposedly dying of cancer and

1138
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,920
all of this stuff but in the bottom line

1139
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,280
was

1140
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:22,640
and

1141
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,359
anymore surprise surprise

1142
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:31,440
the one that tore it for me

1143
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:35,200
was paola harris's ufo crash retrieval

1144
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:36,160
case

1145
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,560
from 1945 where we have a very nice

1146
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,839
elderly

1147
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,960
gentleman

1148
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,280
who has a piece

1149
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,200
of a windmill

1150
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,440
that he claims that when he was a small

1151
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:50,560
boy

1152
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,240
he stole from the inside of a crashed

1153
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,160
flying saucer

1154
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,720
in 1945

1155
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:01,520
in new mexico this has been identified

1156
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,480
by everybody as a pump part the metal

1157
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:07,040
has been analyzed i believe more than

1158
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,079
once

1159
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,720
it's earth it's terrestrial aluminum

1160
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,760
alloy

1161
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,200
frank kimbler

1162
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,960
who is a

1163
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,040
a tremendous researcher

1164
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,520
he is a true scientist

1165
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,839
he was involved in this investigation

1166
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,520
with paola harris

1167
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,440
it didn't matter

1168
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,480
what evidence anybody came up with that

1169
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,040
undermined this case

1170
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,680
payola harris always had a reason why it

1171
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,119
couldn't be true

1172
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,839
jan harzan was invited out there for a

1173
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,280
big photo op

1174
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,560
so was chase kletzke supposedly

1175
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,200
the u.s government had planted

1176
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,520
noxious weeds

1177
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,079
on the site in order to keep the ufo

1178
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:52,800
researchers away one of the weeds turned

1179
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,240
out to be jimson weed which is extremely

1180
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:57,680
common and grows

1181
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,560
all over the southwest but supposedly

1182
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,040
one of the researchers had to wear this

1183
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,280
full body suit

1184
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:07,200
which of course looks really cool on

1185
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,640
camera

1186
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:10,240
and then when you go on to paola

1187
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,760
harris's video about the very same case

1188
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,160
that's on youtube you find her and

1189
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,560
everybody else walking through the same

1190
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,359
weeds that they're complaining about you

1191
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,920
know and it goes on from there i wrote

1192
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,160
all of this up in the report frank

1193
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:28,880
kimbler gave me all of the scientific

1194
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,640
evidence to show that there was no basis

1195
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:34,640
for believing in this crash retrieval

1196
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,520
case i turn in my report

1197
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,000
i get a call from jan harzan

1198
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,400
he doesn't want to talk about my report

1199
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,000
he doesn't want to talk about any of the

1200
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:46,960
data he wants to know if i have a

1201
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,319
personal issue with paola harris i don't

1202
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,240
have a personal issue with her i've

1203
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:54,640
never met the lady i'm sure she's a nice

1204
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,520
lady i just don't believe in the

1205
00:48:02,790 --> 00:47:59,680
evidence that she is presented and there

1206
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,800
are many very solid reasons

1207
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:05,440
why i don't let me tell you very quickly

1208
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:06,720
here

1209
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,400
she was on the power cast paula harris

1210
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:12,000
and i've heard her name referred to both

1211
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,200
ways

1212
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,119
so we call her paula you can call it

1213
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,880
what you want

1214
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:17,839
and

1215
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:21,280
she had said in one particular event

1216
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,480
that billy meyer we all know billy meyer

1217
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:26,319
wacky contactee

1218
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,040
is quote the real deal

1219
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,839
and we ragged on her for that saying you

1220
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,599
you believe billy meyer

1221
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,920
and she denied it but she said this at

1222
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,680
some kind of public meeting

1223
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,680
i met her and she seemed like a nice

1224
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,599
enough person i met her actually a

1225
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,240
couple of times at the international ufo

1226
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,440
conference in fountain hills arizona i

1227
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,880
don't take her seriously he's one of

1228
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,800
these wacky people

1229
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,720
and i see your point there you're taking

1230
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,160
someone like that

1231
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,760
that's

1232
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,920
might be a lovely person to sit down

1233
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,599
have a coffee with

1234
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,480
or you share a pizza or something but

1235
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:04,319
you don't take her seriously as a ufo

1236
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,119
investigator because she's pushing wacky

1237
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,880
things that make no sense

1238
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,319
now i want to ask you one more thing

1239
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,400
before we get any further

1240
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,960
was this it for you or any other factors

1241
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,040
well i i needed to give you the punch

1242
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,680
line okay punch me

1243
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,599
the punch line was

1244
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,760
after i have this conversation with jan

1245
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,880
harzan

1246
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,200
after i've written a detailed report

1247
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,520
after i've submitted all of the data

1248
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,760
that frank kimbler submitted

1249
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,920
to jan harzan via the special

1250
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,880
assignments team what do they do

1251
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:39,680
paola harris appears

1252
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,480
as one of the lead speakers at the very

1253
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,720
next symposium i believe that was the

1254
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,400
2016

1255
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,119
mufon symposium and

1256
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,440
she gets an award for investigative

1257
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,200
excellence

1258
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:56,160
i fell out of my chair

1259
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:00,400
i was i was in i mean i felt insulted

1260
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,680
like why do i bother why do i i bother

1261
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:06,000
to investigate something for an

1262
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,280
organization

1263
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,960
when basically

1264
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,040
the chief of police

1265
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,599
where i'm a detective doesn't believe

1266
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,680
anything that i write down

1267
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:18,720
it began to seem very pointless

1268
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,760
to me and very shallow and that sort of

1269
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,720
sets the stage meanwhile i have my

1270
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,520
friend chase kletzke saying don't quit

1271
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,480
stay a little longer it'll get better

1272
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,520
and that kind of brings us to this year

1273
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:35,760
which of course has done nothing but

1274
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:38,000
gets stranger still

1275
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:39,920
i guess we can change this show to the

1276
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,319
strange case of mufon

1277
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,880
starting out in 1969 as kind of a

1278
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,880
splinter group from apro

1279
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,680
as the midwest ufo network

1280
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,440
and then just a few years later they

1281
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:52,960
realized we're going to be national

1282
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,720
let's make it mutual ufo network

1283
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,119
so i go back a long time i remember when

1284
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,119
this organization was started

1285
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,079
with walt andrus and john schussler it

1286
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,640
was a very staid conservative sort of

1287
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,480
organization it's been that way for many

1288
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,839
years

1289
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,520
the newsletter to me looked like the

1290
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,599
rotary club

1291
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,839
to put this in perspective

1292
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,839
and now it's

1293
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:19,440
i don't know what kind of club we call

1294
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,960
it the wacky club we've got more to come

1295
00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:25,440
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1296
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1360
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and now

1361
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so

1362
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,559
the mufon

1363
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,400
follies continues

1364
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,200
james clarkson former state director all

1365
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,040
right this year

1366
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,720
if things hadn't gone off the rails

1367
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,960
already with paula harris

1368
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,800
getting this award

1369
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,160
this year

1370
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,920
gotta be the kicker right

1371
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oh

1372
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,800
and how

1373
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,800
when i heard who they were selecting for

1374
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,720
their speakers

1375
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,280
i was just i was ready to walk out the

1376
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:42,000
door then and i mean it just it just is

1377
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,520
too much

1378
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:46,160
i had a particularly bad case that i got

1379
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,119
a sign

1380
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:48,960
which was so ugly i don't even want to

1381
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,280
really talk about it on the air because

1382
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,599
it was physically disgusting it was

1383
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,119
clearly a hoax

1384
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,960
and when i confronted the witness on

1385
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:59,119
this fact he got belligerent and

1386
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,240
threatening

1387
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,720
and then right after that i opened my

1388
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:05,200
email and here is a picture of jan

1389
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,400
harzan

1390
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,720
standing next to stephen greer and

1391
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,400
they're telling us that we need to buy

1392
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,400
the book and watch the film

1393
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,000
unacknowledged

1394
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:16,000
i mean that that was starting to make me

1395
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,280
feel really

1396
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,520
uneasy then

1397
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,599
because i i will freely admit it i am

1398
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,040
not a

1399
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:26,160
big stephen grier fan i'll just say it

1400
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:27,200
yes

1401
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,800
company here you're preaching to the

1402
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,640
choir i think

1403
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,440
among power cast listeners very few of

1404
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,760
us very few of the people who listen to

1405
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:38,000
this show around the world are stephen

1406
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,839
greer fans or they don't really let us

1407
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,160
know they are certainly in our forums we

1408
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:43,920
don't find too many

1409
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:47,040
i was hanging on by a thread

1410
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,400
and

1411
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:51,040
then we have the john ventry situation

1412
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,799
which you know has been

1413
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,440
talked about add length and and

1414
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,680
for anybody who has their

1415
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,760
all of their website and everything else

1416
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,000
they're doing identifies them as a

1417
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:04,799
leader in mufon and for him to get out

1418
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:07,520
there and make outrageous

1419
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,240
political statements which anybody

1420
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,640
not even talking about the content which

1421
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:14,240
i personally found

1422
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,760
reprehensible

1423
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,440
and unacceptable

1424
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,319
but even not evaluating that

1425
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:22,400
anybody with any common sense would have

1426
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,240
known that that was a really dumb idea

1427
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:29,040
if you are a leader in a large

1428
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,480
organization

1429
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,280
involving anything as contentious as

1430
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,760
ufos i would have thought

1431
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,680
you know that should be unprofessional

1432
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,440
conduct in mufon

1433
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,599
so he makes his statements

1434
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,520
and i'm waiting and waiting waiting like

1435
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:45,920
everybody else to hear something from

1436
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,839
headquarters to hear jan harzan commit

1437
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,839
to some kind of position

1438
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:53,839
and then we got some kind of a statement

1439
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:56,960
about lead haters behaters and

1440
00:57:02,789 --> 00:56:59,680
all of this kind of stuff and i'm going

1441
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:02,799
this really is not working so i wrote my

1442
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:05,440
own statement about mufon in washington

1443
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,720
and i said

1444
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,200
racism is unacceptable here period we

1445
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:12,079
don't we don't treat people that way not

1446
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,359
witnesses

1447
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,280
you know not anybody it's not good

1448
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,280
conduct and it you know whatever they're

1449
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,359
doing at mufon headquarters

1450
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,520
we're not involved in it

1451
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,799
good for you

1452
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,400
well then eventually of course they

1453
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:26,480
finally did supposedly

1454
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,680
kick him out of his state directorship

1455
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,920
and so i'm thinking well okay we got

1456
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,000
through that okay

1457
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:36,319
and then we have the interview that

1458
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:39,440
kevin randle did of jan harzan

1459
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,480
and that probably is

1460
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,720
i have to say hands down

1461
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,880
fiesta resistance

1462
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:49,119
that's the straw that broke the camel's

1463
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,400
back

1464
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,280
i read through that i listened to it

1465
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,160
i couldn't believe what i was hearing

1466
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,920
and what i read

1467
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,240
it was obvious to me

1468
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:03,680
i just can't work for an organization

1469
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:04,640
where

1470
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,440
the core values that he supports

1471
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,319
and the core values that i support

1472
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,119
we just don't have much in common

1473
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:14,880
what was a couple of the specifics in

1474
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,119
that interview that uh just for the

1475
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,119
people who don't know what you're

1476
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,119
exactly talking about

1477
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,920
that you found really sort of uh it was

1478
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,839
the inner circle

1479
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,960
okay

1480
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,760
he defined the inner circle and you know

1481
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,680
you it's very hard when you read

1482
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,680
something or even when you're here you

1483
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,680
hear it if you're not there

1484
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,400
to pick up the overall tone

1485
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:40,480
but the way that interview came off to

1486
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,280
me

1487
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,839
kevin randall did not have to pry any of

1488
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:44,640
this

1489
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,680
stuff out of mr harzan he was proud of

1490
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,119
the inner circle

1491
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:51,520
and i'm sitting there thinking

1492
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,319
jay-z knight alias ramtha is in the

1493
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,599
inner circle

1494
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:57,359
are you serious

1495
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,480
i happen to live in the same county

1496
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,960
where jay-z knight has her international

1497
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,520
headquarters yeah when i read that i was

1498
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,760
like okay there's something i hadn't

1499
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,040
known

1500
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,799
one of the videos we put up here on the

1501
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,559
forum a number of times is something

1502
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:15,440
called uh what the bleep debunked that

1503
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:18,720
goes through and it describes how uh

1504
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:21,839
that particular movie really is kind of

1505
01:00:08,150 --> 00:59:22,640
a

1506
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:08,160
you know

1507
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,160
have a lot to do with

1508
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:12,960
how your organization is perceived

1509
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,520
uh how smoothly it operates

1510
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:16,880
etc

1511
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:19,920
and you know nobody can guarantee to me

1512
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:22,319
that somebody like jay-z knight or

1513
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:26,079
another contributor who could be

1514
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,000
operating off of heaven knows what

1515
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:30,480
agenda that they might not be appointed

1516
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:31,280
to

1517
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,640
a prominent position in mufon and then

1518
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,119
we have the kicker

1519
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:39,520
which is that although john ventry is

1520
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,799
gone as a state director he's not really

1521
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:43,680
gone

1522
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:47,520
because he's still in the inner circle

1523
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:49,839
i understand he was also hanging out at

1524
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:50,720
the

1525
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,839
symposium glad-handing people

1526
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,400
my sources and because

1527
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,799
of the way this whole thing has rolled i

1528
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,440
have a lot of sources yes i was told

1529
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:03,040
that he was there

1530
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:04,480
well our

1531
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,559
regular co-host chris o'brien mentioned

1532
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,960
that he was there now this is very

1533
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,520
interesting there was a post over at

1534
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,520
kevin randle's blog a different

1535
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:15,599
perspective

1536
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:19,440
where they mentioned what was going on

1537
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:22,000
and he came on there to justify what he

1538
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,359
did and said when i'm ready to give an

1539
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,040
interview

1540
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,359
on a radio show it'll have like the

1541
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,520
biggest ratings ever

1542
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:31,359
and i ended the discussion with a very

1543
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,799
simple comment

1544
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,359
nobody cares you're just another crank

1545
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:37,760
with wacky political beliefs i said this

1546
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,799
over three paragraphs and nobody cares

1547
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:43,119
anything about what you have to say that

1548
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:45,680
was the last message

1549
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:54,390
wow okay so what do we do now wha i mean

1550
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:59,200
did should everyone move to qfos or

1551
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:00,160
uh

1552
01:02:04,829 --> 01:02:03,200
what do you suggest has got any ideas

1553
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:04,839
well i do think

1554
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,079
that you have to go back to

1555
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,559
the words of the bard above all to thine

1556
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:12,079
own self be true

1557
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:13,440
you need to decide what you're

1558
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,079
supporting with your money and your time

1559
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:18,000
and your interest in this field and i

1560
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:19,760
wouldn't pretend to tell

1561
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,440
you know other people what they should

1562
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,280
do for myself

1563
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:25,520
i am creating a small

1564
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,960
research group

1565
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,720
i'm going to try and help peter

1566
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,960
davenport he does not have an

1567
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,440
investigative arm he only collects

1568
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,640
reports

1569
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:36,640
peter has been a friend of many many

1570
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:37,760
years

1571
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:40,240
and someone whose work i genuinely

1572
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,280
respect

1573
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:43,599
same thing with bill puckett i'm also

1574
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:45,040
going to try

1575
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,559
and solicit

1576
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,520
special ufo cases i haven't quite

1577
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:51,359
formulated all this because while all of

1578
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,240
this

1579
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:54,720
is going on i'm in the process of

1580
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:57,520
selling my home and moving so we've had

1581
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:00,079
more than enough to keep us busy so i'm

1582
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,760
still working on the ins and outs of

1583
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,280
this i am not

1584
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,760
selling memberships to an inner circle

1585
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:07,920
there won't be any secret decoder rings

1586
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:10,400
i can tell you that wait a minute stop

1587
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,200
stop stop wait a moment

1588
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,599
no secret decoder rings i mean you and i

1589
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,599
grew up in the 1950s

1590
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,079
and we know that if we didn't get a

1591
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:22,400
secret decoder ring from captain

1592
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:23,599
midnight

1593
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:26,480
i know our world would end and then get

1594
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,880
the space helmet from captain video we

1595
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had to have captain video space helmet

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01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,880
made of this treacherous plastic where

1597
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:34,240
you put it on your head twice and it

1598
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:35,920
fell apart more to come with james

1599
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:38,720
clarkson and jean and randall you're in

1600
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,430
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i wanted to get back to one thing james

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01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:15,359
clarkson before we get to the other end

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01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:17,120
of what to do and you mentioned of

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01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:19,120
course the national ufo reporting center

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01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:21,199
and peter davenport and we've had him on

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01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:22,239
the show and had some pleasant

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01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:23,759
interviews with him

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01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,239
and that's this inner circle now the

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01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,000
inner circle as many of you know and

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01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,560
mufon consists of people i think it was

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01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,600
13 people last i heard who give five

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thousand dollars each year

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01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,440
i guess there's nothing

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01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,679
to get you off that list unless you stop

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01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:41,359
giving the five grand

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01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:44,000
so the reason that john ventry is still

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01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:45,520
on there is because he keeps giving the

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01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:46,719
money right

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01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,880
presumably i mean i can't tell you for a

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01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:50,560
fact because

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01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,080
obviously i'm on the outside looking in

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01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,480
i think i was on the outside looking in

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01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,040
while i was a state director

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01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,279
okay the other thing i understand here

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01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:03,120
and chris i don't follow channelers that

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01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,080
much

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01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,480
but one of the big contributors to mufon

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01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,400
is ramtha

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01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:10,799
well jay-z knight right

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01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:14,080
aka remta and i will say you know this

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01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:15,759
comes back to

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01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,199
a cultural phenomena she really is

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01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,080
just trying to look at her objectively

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01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:24,560
she is an extremely

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01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:28,000
in her own way an extremely intelligent

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01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,520
and persuasive person and my evidence

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01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:33,600
for that statement is

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people come from all over the world

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01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:38,960
to be close to her

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01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,279
and to hear from ramtha

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01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,000
and i've met many of these people

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01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:46,719
because i i live in the same county

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01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:48,560
and most of them

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01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,040
are very high functioning

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01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:54,000
very nice people there's you know they

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01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,520
just they truly believe that ramtha is

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01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,640
giving them

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01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,440
the gospel about how they should live

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01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:03,920
and how they should see the world

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01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:06,239
no they believe it this is what they

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01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,199
they've come to accept is their reality

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01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:11,199
it's obviously

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01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:12,719
i don't get it

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01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,239
but it's real

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01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:16,719
to them

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01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,800
but it's hardly scientific and that's

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01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:21,360
what mufon claims is that's in their

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01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,800
motto there's there's nothing about her

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01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:26,960
experiences that can be scientifically

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01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,920
tested and precisely and quite frankly

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01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,840
quite a bit of it seems just

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01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,600
like even if you could it you wouldn't

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01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,760
pass the test i mean it's just fairly

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01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:37,920
obvious right from the beginning

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01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,159
and and a lot of it in my opinion it's

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01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:41,920
the same problem i had with

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01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,000
you know i forget what the name of was

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01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,320
not the stephen grier's

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01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:48,960
present book but the one that had the uh

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01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,760
autocoma alien in it

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01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,719
if you took three quarters

1783
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:57,360
of that book and looked at it

1784
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,159
it was based on new age

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01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,760
concepts

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01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:03,679
that you could find all over the

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01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,880
internet

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01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:06,880
being espoused by

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01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,360
a hundred different sources

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01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,080
that all say the same kind of things you

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01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:14,080
know we're destroying the world we need

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01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,600
to live in peace

1793
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:18,239
we need to become more enlightened i

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01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,080
mean i could go on and on

1795
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:22,080
that's okay i mean we all want to live

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01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,120
in peace

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01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,600
we all want to get along can't we just

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01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,679
get along i think that's very important

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01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,440
and there's nothing wrong with that

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01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,760
concept the point here is when you start

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01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,080
putting it in the mouth of some

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01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:35,920
non-existent being

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01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,239
and you use it as a wedge

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01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:40,800
to get followers and maybe take their

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01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,920
money i think that goes a lot too far

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01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:46,080
i certainly agree with you but i would

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01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,800
that's been happening throughout time

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01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:50,880
and unfortunately

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01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,480
social media has amplified the

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01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,840
effectiveness

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01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,080
of that kind of an approach

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01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,480
you can reach more people you can reach

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01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:03,040
them more profoundly you take a person

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01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,679
who's lonely doesn't know exactly what

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01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:07,440
to do with themselves

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01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:08,960
they haven't found any kind of

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01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:11,520
particular calling and suddenly they

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01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:14,080
feel special they feel they can be part

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01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,920
of something important

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01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,520
they're told that they're part of a

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01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,400
movement to save the world

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01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,800
and spread you know enlightenment and

1823
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:24,800
all that and pretty soon you've got

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01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:26,560
another true believer

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01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,239
there's nothing wrong

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01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:29,920
with that in

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01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,159
in terms of just its basic principle but

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01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:34,239
if you're going to be using as as

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01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:35,840
evidence to support the idea of some

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01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,320
sort of alien visitation then you need

1831
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,560
something that's more than mundane i

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01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,480
mean we already know the world's got

1833
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,560
problems and we should all try to get

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01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,320
together and cooperate and love one

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01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:49,520
another and and stop pollution and

1836
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:52,719
end war and educate people and so on we

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01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:55,600
don't need aliens to tell us that we

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01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:58,560
need some verifiable evidence that tells

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01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:01,120
us that whoever it is that's giving them

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01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,760
the information is actually who they say

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01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:05,760
they are they're not doing that they

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01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:08,400
haven't done it there is none that i've

1843
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:11,600
ever seen from any channel or any place

1844
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,480
or contactee that's been verifiable that

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01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:16,960
is beyond present day known knowledge i

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01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:20,080
certainly agree and the last place

1847
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:22,480
where we should be doing that is in an

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01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:25,600
organization that had as its motto

1849
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,000
the scientific investigation

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01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:30,719
of unidentified flying objects for the

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01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,080
benefit of humanity i do not believe it

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01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,239
that motto is served

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01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:38,800
by embracing all of these new age

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01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,760
philosophies and their purveyors

1855
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,280
there's nothing wrong with a wacky

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01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,360
person giving money it's when that

1857
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:47,760
person also buys influence

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01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:48,640
yes

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01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:51,280
the problem is anytime you start having

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01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:52,560
big money

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01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:55,679
it's bound to have influence

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01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:59,520
i i just don't see how that cannot be

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01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,760
the other thing i wonder about here

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01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:03,840
is that if you look at

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01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:06,159
the memberships

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01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,840
in the

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01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:09,280
inner circle

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01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:13,040
there are 13 members four of which

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01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,440
have served as director

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01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,120
of the organization

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01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:19,600
the one who isn't there is james carrion

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01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:21,120
because i guess he's not giving them the

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01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:22,880
five grand anymore

1874
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:25,040
so therefore he's not there the question

1875
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:26,560
here is

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01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,440
do they exclusively expect to pick

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01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,920
directors out of this pool

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01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,360
of people

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01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,520
that gave them this donation do you buy

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01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,400
your way into directorship

1881
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:41,120
i don't know there's no i i don't know

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01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,360
the answer to that question

1883
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:45,760
there was i can tell you that

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01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:46,640
it

1885
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:53,350
and because see there's a disconnect

1886
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,080
in the organization once you get once

1887
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,480
you get above state director

1888
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:59,840
you're you're

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01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:01,840
there's no direct connection

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01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,000
to the headquarters

1891
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:06,159
is there any official statement from

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01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,360
mufon

1893
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:09,440
from jan harzan

1894
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:11,440
as to the extent of influence of this

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01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,390
i don't think that he's directly stated

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01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:18,480
it but as i recall going back through

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01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:21,360
the interview he minimizes that in other

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01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,159
words the inner circle they get some

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01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:26,400
perks they they get

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01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,960
they get admitted to the symposium

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01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,520
they get special seating they get to sit

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01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:33,520
next to the director they get a

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01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:36,080
director's phone call that other people

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01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:38,880
don't get i mean all of these these

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01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,600
things that are are described as

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01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:43,520
you know just perks they don't mean

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01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:44,719
anything

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01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,760
and and obviously i guess if that's true

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01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,600
and that's all that there is

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01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,080
to it

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01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:54,480
then maybe it's okay

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01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:57,600
but i just have a hard time

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01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:00,320
believing that that's all there is to it

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01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:03,679
based upon my past association

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01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:06,400
with marie malzahn

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01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,600
and the fact that you just pointed out

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01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,679
that at least four of the people on the

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01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:12,960
inner circle

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01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:15,040
have been leaders of the entire

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01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:17,199
organization let's go into more of this

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01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:18,880
the mufon follies

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01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:21,440
with james clarkson and we're not just

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01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:22,880
going to talk about mufon but there's a

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01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,400
lot to go on here

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01:16:28,060 --> 01:16:26,239
with gene and randall you're in the

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paracast

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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hi this is james fox from chasing ufos

2030
01:21:03,189 --> 01:20:56,960
you're listening to the paracast the

2031
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:05,270
so chris o'brien's on special assignment

2032
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:07,280
should return for after the power cast

2033
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,400
this week

2034
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,560
we've got james clarkson former

2035
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,960
washington state director of mufon

2036
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,560
and as you've heard for the previous

2037
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,560
five segments we know why

2038
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:18,320
we've been talking here about the inner

2039
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,239
circle this mysterious group of people

2040
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:22,239
high donors and mufon

2041
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,120
who have outside influence

2042
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,600
so maybe ramtha will become the next

2043
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:30,239
director after jan horizon hangs up the

2044
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:31,520
hat right

2045
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:34,560
i can't rule it out

2046
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,880
oh man

2047
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:38,560
i have never been a member and that

2048
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,600
would that would certainly not be a

2049
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:43,120
drawing card for me

2050
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,640
so you would never join a club that

2051
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,560
would have you as a member

2052
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:48,560
was that directed at me

2053
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:49,440
or

2054
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:55,120
is good that is good

2055
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,440
i love groucho marx

2056
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,600
i bet that randall doesn't know who

2057
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:01,440
groucho marx was

2058
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,159
uh yeah yeah yes i guess there is always

2059
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:07,040
the problem anymore because i am 65

2060
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:09,760
years old so i i probably am have a

2061
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,320
dated view of everything yeah just a

2062
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:14,080
young whippersnapper

2063
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,840
i'm tempted to join a club and beat you

2064
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:17,280
over the head with it

2065
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:20,400
well hey just get in line

2066
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:23,199
that was another great groucho marx line

2067
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:25,280
well okay to play devil's advocate here

2068
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:26,400
okay so

2069
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:28,719
i mean if you're a group and you charge

2070
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,040
dues for membership maybe there's some

2071
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:33,760
tier level that people who

2072
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,159
spend more can get more perks for i mean

2073
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,719
that's not all that uncommon really

2074
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:40,719
it's just sort of the perception that

2075
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:41,679
maybe

2076
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:44,239
certain high-profile members might

2077
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:46,239
bring to your group that that is

2078
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:47,760
concerning

2079
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:49,520
to people i mean how can you how could

2080
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:50,800
you actually say well i'm going to

2081
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:53,600
prevent these people from donating and

2082
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:56,480
then not give them any of the the perks

2083
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:58,080
that are promised isn't

2084
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:59,440
you know you've got to be able to follow

2085
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:00,800
through when people

2086
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:02,320
do that so

2087
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:04,239
how would you manage that

2088
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,120
if you were in a position to do so

2089
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:10,000
well probably because the tenor of the

2090
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:12,080
in other words i can't imagine that

2091
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,280
jay-z knight is going to want to

2092
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:17,360
join a serious

2093
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:19,600
scientific research group

2094
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,880
you know the

2095
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:22,719
international organization of

2096
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,080
astrophysicists or you know some highly

2097
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:28,560
technical group because it would be

2098
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:30,400
totally alien

2099
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,760
because of the way they conduct

2100
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:33,199
themselves and

2101
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,719
the public perception of the

2102
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,080
organization

2103
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:38,639
they would not be acceptable and i guess

2104
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:41,199
that's part of my point the times that

2105
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:42,239
we're in

2106
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:45,120
and the way that mufon has evolved

2107
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:47,199
makes it so that having

2108
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:49,760
jay-z knight or people like her

2109
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,719
is no longer that strange

2110
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:54,880
the whole character of the

2111
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,760
upper management has shifted

2112
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,480
and i think that was clearly illustrated

2113
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:02,880
when robert powell the director of

2114
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,760
scientific research he recently just

2115
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:07,360
resigned too

2116
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:09,280
right after i did

2117
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,120
we've had robert powell on the power

2118
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:13,920
cast he'll be back shortly in fact a lot

2119
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,719
shorter than you think and we really

2120
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,239
appreciate what he did he had a very

2121
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:20,000
realistic view of the subject and

2122
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,159
everything we thought he was one of the

2123
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:25,199
best people at mufon and now that he's

2124
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:26,000
gone

2125
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,360
obviously there are more and more areas

2126
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:29,199
of concern now we've talked to other

2127
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:31,760
people who have had run-ins with mufon

2128
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:34,239
certainly erica luke's

2129
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:35,760
is another person

2130
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:37,360
who has been

2131
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:39,840
on the power cast frequently and she

2132
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:42,560
went through her own experiences but in

2133
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,760
her case

2134
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:45,120
and this was something that we mentioned

2135
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:47,440
when we had a women's round table on the

2136
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:50,239
power cast a couple of months back where

2137
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:53,360
she said basically that women are not

2138
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:55,040
being treated

2139
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,400
the same way as men so

2140
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:00,239
with all the other ills we have the

2141
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,800
glass ceiling still up there where women

2142
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,800
are getting short-tripped from the

2143
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,040
organization

2144
01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:09,360
well unless you're jay-z knight i guess

2145
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:10,840
well yeah but then you're paying your

2146
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:13,840
way that's right

2147
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,239
and it doesn't matter who you are or

2148
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:18,000
what your belief is

2149
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:19,679
write the check and make sure the check

2150
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,840
can be cashed or give us a cashier's

2151
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:23,760
check this was the ca i wonder about

2152
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:25,760
that five thousand dollars do they take

2153
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:27,120
a check

2154
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:28,719
do they take cash you know someone

2155
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:31,040
brings in a barrel of cash dollar bills

2156
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:34,000
and says here's your five grand now i'm

2157
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:36,320
a member of the inner circle

2158
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,199
do they have reject anybody is everybody

2159
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,440
accepted once they hand the check over

2160
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:44,080
or have they actually rejected i mean if

2161
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,360
if vladimir putin came over tomorrow

2162
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:49,199
and said das vidanya

2163
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,000
and handed jan harzan five thousand

2164
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:54,560
dollars would you say

2165
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,520
yes

2166
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:57,840
you're a member

2167
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:00,800
well i i if i answer that question i

2168
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:04,000
would be speculating i i don't know

2169
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:06,560
which i would have no idea if they've

2170
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,159
ever rejected anybody my belief is

2171
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,040
at this particular point in time no they

2172
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:15,280
would they would definitely take his

2173
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:18,239
five thousand dollars

2174
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:20,639
also what criteria should be used in

2175
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,320
order to accept membership in various

2176
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:26,480
ufo organizations

2177
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,480
what would you say should be the minimum

2178
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:30,480
requirements

2179
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,440
well originally this wasn't a problem

2180
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:35,520
this is how which

2181
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,560
part of this is the way mufon

2182
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:40,639
has become

2183
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:43,520
part of it is mufon as a reflection of

2184
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,239
the times that we live in

2185
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,480
you know if you're if you open your

2186
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:50,880
organization up one of the original

2187
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:54,480
missions of mufon was to be transparent

2188
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:56,320
and to collect

2189
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:58,960
high quality ufo information

2190
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:01,920
and disperse it freely

2191
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:04,400
to the rest of of society

2192
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:07,120
that was one of the original goals

2193
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,199
we thought we've seen how that's gone

2194
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:11,760
right and there's talk right now

2195
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,400
of shutting that down to a degree

2196
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,239
in other words i know that this is one

2197
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:18,719
of the plans that's being kicked around

2198
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:22,320
which is you know you won't have access

2199
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:25,760
to mufon cases unless you pay

2200
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:28,960
well that's been the case since well

2201
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:31,360
at least with some of them since i first

2202
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,560
started

2203
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,320
trying to contact them to get a hold of

2204
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:36,719
some of the cases back in the 90s and

2205
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:39,280
that will become more so if this plan

2206
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:41,360
goes through and and you know the the

2207
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:43,679
argument they come back with is they

2208
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:46,960
need the money for operating expenses

2209
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:50,320
and we go back and forth about this

2210
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:52,719
well sure i mean everybody needs to have

2211
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,760
some

2212
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:55,280
operating

2213
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,080
budget but these days it's not all that

2214
01:28:02,470 --> 01:27:59,760
difficult for a bunch of volunteers to

2215
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:02,480
put together an online database and be

2216
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:04,159
able to fill it full of stuff there's

2217
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:05,920
some tremendous projects out there

2218
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:07,280
already

2219
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,400
so

2220
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:10,560
you know in my case i volunteered to do

2221
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,239
a bunch of this work and actually get it

2222
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out to people and they just

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stonewalled me at every uh

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at every opportunity

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so you know i just gave up after a while

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01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,280
that was my experience and i started my

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own thing

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01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:26,880
well then i think we're probably in the

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same boat when it comes to that i think

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i would have to

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pretty much agree with you i

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i another issue that i had i freely

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admitted

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you work for an organization for 30

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years

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and you would like to be personally

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recognized a little bit if you're

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if you're a plow horse

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and you're in the traces i think i i

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wrote this in my letter

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you would like to be patted on the head

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once in a while and given an apple and i

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01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:00,560
felt like no matter what i did

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01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:03,840
nobody would pay any attention it didn't

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it didn't mean anything meanwhile

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i've been appearing at all kinds of

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conferences i've had you know wonderful

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i feel a lot of personal success i've

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met a lot of wonderful people i've i've

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left them feeling better about studying

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ufos and hopefully gotten them to go out

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and ask some really good questions

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i i i i guess 2010 is the perfect

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example for me

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my wife

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inherited a trip to paris

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so i had never been anywhere like that

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in my life

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01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:41,280
while we were over there i contacted le

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repair you feligic

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and i asked if i could present to them

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and they said yes we would love to have

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you so i gave them this presentation

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about my friend june crane

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who i met when she was an elderly woman

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and when she was

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young she worked at wright-patterson air

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force base

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and they loved my presentation they were

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a wonderful audience and i wished i

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would have brought two suitcases more

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books because i would have sold all of

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them but

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the only thing that was odd to me and

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this may have

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this may be significant

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they liked everything that i had to say

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except when i identified myself

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as being with mufon

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let's do our break we've got more to

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come with james clarkson and randall and

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hi this is don ecker and you are tuned

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in to the paracast let me tell you what

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you're going to hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

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that george snorri

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so

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himself

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as with mufon

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and then what the people that labor upon

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you falaziq they said

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several of them i got this through the

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interpreter

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that they did not trust mufon they had

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01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,199
not trusted mufon for a long time i mean

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i don't i don't have all the details to

2399
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know how they had formulated their

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opinion but they were very definite

2401
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,480
about that they liked me

2402
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:37,199
they liked the story that i had to tell

2403
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:40,639
they wanted more american ufologists

2404
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:42,480
to come and visit them and tell their

2405
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:46,239
stories too but they did not like mufon

2406
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:48,159
i went away thinking

2407
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:50,639
there's something really wrong here

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01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:52,960
you know this this there's something

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01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:55,040
that was i i didn't do anything with

2410
01:35:58,629 --> 01:35:57,040
that because obviously i was only going

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01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:58,639
to be in paris

2412
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:01,360
for a short period of time but i thought

2413
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,560
that was what you would call disquieting

2414
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:06,800
it disturbed me that they would have

2415
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,400
such a strong opinion like that did they

2416
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:12,800
explain to you why

2417
01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:14,320
no

2418
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:16,800
there just wasn't time or opportunity

2419
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,639
this came up at the end of my

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01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:20,719
presentation

2421
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,880
when they were doing question and answer

2422
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:24,719
and bear in mind i'm going through an

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01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,229
okay

2424
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:31,750
this is an interesting question here

2425
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:33,600
this organization that you appeared

2426
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:36,719
before how big is it

2427
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:37,600
well

2428
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:41,840
it was at in a restaurant and at the um

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01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:44,000
this huge shopping mall in the west end

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01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:45,360
of paris

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01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:48,800
it was in the aran dismal la defos

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01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:51,119
and it was a very large building the

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01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:52,880
restaurant was fairly large they meet

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01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:54,159
once a month

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01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:56,480
and they apologized to me because they

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01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:58,960
could only get a little over 100 people

2437
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,760
there

2438
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,679
they said that normally for a speaker

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from another country they would have

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easily had

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01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:07,360
two to three hundred people but they

2442
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were on strike

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01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:11,679
as the french often are

2444
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:13,840
and so the people who lived in the

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outlying districts

2446
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:18,000
of paris couldn't get into town

2447
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:20,560
so obviously it must be a pretty

2448
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,560
successful group

2449
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:24,400
they were a great audience they were

2450
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i've

2451
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:28,239
they were wonderful people you see this

2452
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:29,679
is one of the things that bothers me

2453
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,639
about mufon they pretend to be the only

2454
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:34,719
ufo organization

2455
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,600
yes and and that's not right

2456
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:39,760
and i know a number of people you know i

2457
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:41,840
for instance we've already mentioned one

2458
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:42,800
of them

2459
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:45,600
uh peter davenport is one of the unsung

2460
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:46,719
heroes

2461
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:48,480
in the field of ufology who was

2462
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:50,880
collected heaven only knows how many

2463
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:54,000
reports my good friend bill puckett

2464
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:56,960
who's uh now lives over in montana

2465
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,400
who runs ufos northwest he's accumulated

2466
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,400
a huge number of reports

2467
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:05,040
i'm sure we could keep naming other

2468
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:06,719
volunteer groups

2469
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:09,360
that are doing really good work in this

2470
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:11,040
field

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01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:12,560
you ever talked to the people over at

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01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:14,239
narcap

2473
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:15,760
yes

2474
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:17,600
i know i know exactly who you're talking

2475
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:19,360
about is um

2476
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:21,199
i'm trying to think of the the gentleman

2477
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:24,719
in charge of that haynes yes haynes

2478
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,360
that's exactly right dr haynes yeah

2479
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:28,960
they've done they've been collecting

2480
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:31,840
pilot reports and uh they've done some

2481
01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:33,520
pretty good work in that area but

2482
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:35,679
they're kind of a little standoffish

2483
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,080
themselves in terms of getting

2484
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:40,320
classifying themselves as a ufo

2485
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:41,840
reporting group

2486
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:44,639
and they also tend to hold their cases a

2487
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:46,239
little close to their chest too so i was

2488
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:48,480
just wondering if you had any experience

2489
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:49,600
with them

2490
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:51,280
well the one experience that i have with

2491
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:53,600
them was referring one of my best

2492
01:38:59,669 --> 01:38:56,800
witnesses to them and the last i heard

2493
01:39:01,990 --> 01:38:59,679
he was very happily a member now i

2494
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:02,000
haven't i haven't stayed in touch with

2495
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:02,960
him

2496
01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:05,360
but i would also point out

2497
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:08,320
you know there is a huge stigma

2498
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:11,440
for pilots who report ufos

2499
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:13,920
in the united states this is not an easy

2500
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:17,040
issue i have a close friend

2501
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,400
who is a retired airline pilot

2502
01:39:24,629 --> 01:39:22,560
and he also has had some

2503
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:24,639
experiences

2504
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:27,920
and he was very afraid even now to come

2505
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:29,520
out publicly

2506
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:34,080
with what he knows directly about ufos

2507
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:36,480
because he's afraid his pension would be

2508
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:39,520
uh taken away while he was working he

2509
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:41,520
was afraid that his job would be taken

2510
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:42,480
away

2511
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:45,360
it's not a very friendly environment

2512
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,560
for pilots who experience ufos

2513
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:50,719
we talked about that a bit on the last

2514
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:54,159
show with uh dr irene scott and the

2515
01:39:57,189 --> 01:39:55,760
skeptics would say that actually when

2516
01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:57,199
they've done the research into it

2517
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,520
they've never found a case where a

2518
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:01,440
pilot's been demoted or

2519
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:04,239
or censured in any way for making a ufo

2520
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:06,400
report and that in some cases it's

2521
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:07,760
actually encouraged especially if

2522
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:08,560
there's

2523
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:11,520
anything to do with airline safety so

2524
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,639
um

2525
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:14,159
you know i'm not really sure where this

2526
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,920
fear is coming from do you have any

2527
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:17,760
inside information on

2528
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:19,920
on the actual source the cause of this

2529
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:22,639
period fear is there somebody

2530
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:25,119
inside who actually briefs them during

2531
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,000
their

2532
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,560
education process or the hiring process

2533
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:29,920
or something like that that says you

2534
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:32,560
better not report this or what's the

2535
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:34,159
source

2536
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:36,480
i don't have any information

2537
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:37,600
on that

2538
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:40,239
that would be a good question for me to

2539
01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:42,960
obviously follow up with my source

2540
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:45,199
on that i would also point out though

2541
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,920
that

2542
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:48,000
how else can i say this

2543
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:50,480
i'm skeptical of some skeptics

2544
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:53,520
i worry about their affiliations i don't

2545
01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:55,600
know who these skeptics are but

2546
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,960
i've dealt with

2547
01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:58,560
a few of them

2548
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,400
some of them i would really like to see

2549
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,360
their all of their sources of income

2550
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:05,600
before i would comment on

2551
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:07,840
their particular perception

2552
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:09,760
on ufos

2553
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:12,880
uh do you subscribe to any skeptical

2554
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:14,639
journals or anything like that to

2555
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:16,320
balance your view

2556
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:17,520
i read

2557
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:19,760
skeptical viewpoints i don't subscribe

2558
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,679
to any of their journals

2559
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:23,119
you know there's a couple out there that

2560
01:41:27,030 --> 01:41:25,600
i regularly subscribe to i'm on the

2561
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:27,040
mailing list for

2562
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:29,360
tim printy for example they've got the

2563
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:31,280
sunlight issue and

2564
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,440
it's usually a pretty good write-up that

2565
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:35,920
proposes the other side of the

2566
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:38,000
the coin for example so i think it's

2567
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:40,400
wise to be able to do that

2568
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:42,880
and know what know what they say and

2569
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:44,719
in some cases they actually make some

2570
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:46,800
pretty good points so

2571
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:48,719
i agree with you i think it's very

2572
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:50,159
important

2573
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:53,199
to have multiple sets of eyes

2574
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,520
looking at anything that you're trying

2575
01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:57,600
to investigate

2576
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,679
i see you've got your own book here it's

2577
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:02,080
the air force and ufos maybe uh while

2578
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,440
you're on with us you've got the

2579
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,199
opportunity to talk about that a little

2580
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:07,440
bit how about a couple of good cases

2581
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:10,080
from that book well actually that's not

2582
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:11,520
a case

2583
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:14,400
that's a story of a particular person

2584
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:17,280
actually it's it's based on what i

2585
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:20,000
learned about her life this is about a

2586
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,360
lady that i met in 1993.

2587
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,960
one of the things that's very important

2588
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:25,920
to me

2589
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:28,560
is what i would call public outreach

2590
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:32,159
i give lots of lectures in libraries

2591
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:34,800
and any other venue that i can find

2592
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,000
talking about ufos and i i try as much

2593
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:39,679
as possible

2594
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:42,639
not to tell people what to believe but

2595
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,440
to

2596
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,840
convince them that this subject is

2597
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:47,600
worthwhile to study

2598
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:50,080
it is a big mystery and they should go

2599
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,400
do their own research and ask their own

2600
01:42:58,709 --> 01:42:55,199
questions well in 1993

2601
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:58,719
a very stern elderly woman approached me

2602
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:01,280
after my talk in ocean shores

2603
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:02,639
washington

2604
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:05,679
and her name locally was june caba her

2605
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:08,560
maiden name was june crane which is the

2606
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:11,360
way i identify her in the book and she

2607
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:13,040
said you're right the government knows

2608
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:15,360
all about ufos and they're keeping it a

2609
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,159
secret and i said well how do you know

2610
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:20,560
and she said because i worked there

2611
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:22,560
and i tried to get her to tell me more

2612
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:24,800
because i could tell that she was very

2613
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:26,080
serious

2614
01:43:31,109 --> 01:43:27,440
she wouldn't

2615
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,119
in the interim which was four years

2616
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:33,679
before she talked to me again i found

2617
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,520
out through my wife

2618
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,199
and other people

2619
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:39,760
that she was sort of the elderly lady in

2620
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:41,360
the community that everybody was

2621
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:43,199
intimidated by

2622
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:45,600
she led the charity drive to get a new

2623
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:47,600
library

2624
01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:49,440
she was the you know

2625
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:51,440
everybody knew june

2626
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:53,600
and respected her

2627
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:56,480
she however was the last person that

2628
01:44:03,270 --> 01:43:59,920
anyone expected to have ufo information

2629
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:03,280
well we fast forward to 1997.

2630
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,400
we have the phoenix lights on march 13th

2631
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:08,560
we have the 50th anniversary of the

2632
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:11,199
roswell crash coming up in july

2633
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:14,080
and along about june of that year

2634
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:17,119
the air force decides that they are

2635
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:19,600
going to tell the truth about roswell so

2636
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,199
they publish a book

2637
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:23,920
called roswell case closed

2638
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:26,400
and because it's the air force and

2639
01:44:30,310 --> 01:44:28,800
because it's a hot topic it's all over

2640
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,320
cnn

2641
01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:32,560
i get a phone call from june i have not

2642
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,639
heard from her in four years

2643
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:36,400
the first thing she says when she gets

2644
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:37,760
me on the phone

2645
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:40,480
is it's a damn lie

2646
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,520
and i said what june and she said

2647
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:45,520
that's the same lie that we used to tell

2648
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:47,679
the public when i worked there we told

2649
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:49,840
people that it was weather balloons we

2650
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:51,840
told people that we dropped dummies in

2651
01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:53,920
the desert and that they mistook them

2652
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:55,520
for aliens

2653
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:56,880
and i

2654
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:59,119
said

2655
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:00,800
why are you talking to me now and you

2656
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:03,440
wouldn't talk to me then and she said

2657
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:05,760
i'm 72 years old

2658
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:07,600
my cancer's in remission and i've

2659
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:09,520
outlived two husbands

2660
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:11,119
what are they going to do shoot me or

2661
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:13,600
put me in prison i can do either one

2662
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:16,000
let's have the answers and the finish of

2663
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:18,560
that one with james clarkson and randall

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

2713
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standard of paranormal radio

2714
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:53,679
and now

2715
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:02,870
so finally after all these years she

2716
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:05,920
comes out and gives you this response

2717
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:07,440
to the typical

2718
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:10,320
air force debunking of roswell

2719
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:11,280
yes

2720
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:14,480
so i started visiting her at her home i

2721
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:15,760
was

2722
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:18,320
working swing shift on patrol i would

2723
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:21,840
change into civvies she was a night owl

2724
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:23,840
i went out and visited her in her home

2725
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:26,000
and basically i got to

2726
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,360
hear about an amazing life story which i

2727
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:31,520
would have wanted to hear even if

2728
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:33,679
it didn't have ufos and aliens in it but

2729
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:35,760
it turned out that it did

2730
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:37,440
she had worked at wright-patterson air

2731
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:40,159
force base before there was even an air

2732
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,119
force

2733
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,600
she worked there three times between

2734
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:45,119
1942

2735
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:47,280
and 1952

2736
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:49,920
she had a q-level security clearance and

2737
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:51,920
she worked on lots of

2738
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:54,000
top secret projects

2739
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:56,800
in a very high security environment so

2740
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:59,520
all of these scientists and engineers

2741
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:01,600
who were consulted about the ufo

2742
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:02,800
question

2743
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:05,119
they would talk freely in front of her

2744
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,800
because she had the same security

2745
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:08,880
clearance that they did

2746
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:11,440
so she basically gave me an insider's

2747
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:12,480
view

2748
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:15,360
of how they saw the ufo issue

2749
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:17,119
as it was developing

2750
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:17,920
now

2751
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:21,440
i would not describe her as a

2752
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:23,840
except in a couple of areas

2753
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:26,480
as being a direct witness

2754
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:29,520
to ufo crashes in the cover-up but she's

2755
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:32,320
a really really good corroborating

2756
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:33,440
witness

2757
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:35,840
because we can prove where she worked

2758
01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:38,800
and i took every part of her background

2759
01:49:43,990 --> 01:49:41,119
that i could verify and i eventually

2760
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:44,000
verified it obviously there were certain

2761
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:46,320
points where she told me things that i

2762
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:48,800
can't prove or disprove so you either

2763
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,199
accept them or you don't well i managed

2764
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:53,679
on a few occasions she gave me all of

2765
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:56,080
her personal papers she allowed me to

2766
01:49:59,590 --> 01:49:58,320
tape recorder a few times

2767
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:59,600
i had those

2768
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:01,520
interviews transcribed

2769
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:04,400
they comprised the bulk of the book

2770
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:06,719
i also talk about what i learned from

2771
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:08,719
her the research

2772
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:10,400
and that ended up

2773
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:12,960
becoming that book that book

2774
01:50:17,590 --> 01:50:15,360
is actually a product of my final

2775
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:17,600
promise to her because it turned out

2776
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:19,840
that her cancer was not quite

2777
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:22,560
as much in remission as she told me

2778
01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:25,119
and unfortunately about a year after i

2779
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:28,080
got to know her well she died

2780
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:31,520
and the last time that i spoke to her

2781
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:34,400
i said what do you want me to do june

2782
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:36,719
she said tell my story

2783
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:38,960
so that's the title of the book

2784
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:42,239
tell my story june crane the air force

2785
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,840
and ufos and i've included all of the

2786
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:47,280
anecdotes

2787
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:49,199
that she related to me

2788
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,480
well there's one i'm going to have to

2789
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:52,400
add to my library then

2790
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:54,480
that sounds absolutely fascinating

2791
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,080
thanks for sharing that

2792
01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:57,840
this looks like an updated edition

2793
01:51:01,990 --> 01:50:59,840
you've got here have you been have you

2794
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:02,000
added some new stuff to the

2795
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:03,280
original or

2796
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,639
yes i did and the reason that i did that

2797
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:08,560
i deliberately did not include this in

2798
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:10,560
the first edition because i thought this

2799
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:12,639
was just gonna cloud the issue

2800
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,000
along the way after june got married uh

2801
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:18,159
she ended up moving to portland oregon

2802
01:51:23,109 --> 01:51:20,560
this is kind of a sad story

2803
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:23,119
because it's sort of of a story of women

2804
01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:24,960
of that time period

2805
01:51:30,709 --> 01:51:28,159
june was very good at her job and she

2806
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,719
kept getting promoted and they offered

2807
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:32,639
her a career

2808
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:34,480
in what what would have become the

2809
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:38,560
fledgling united states space program

2810
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,040
because she was on board already when

2811
01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:43,440
they were doing the early rocketry

2812
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:45,760
experiments she talked to me about the

2813
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:47,679
the arrow b rocket

2814
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,159
which was our first heavy lifter that

2815
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:52,719
was based on the v2

2816
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,800
she knew all the players

2817
01:51:58,709 --> 01:51:56,239
she had been there

2818
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:58,719
well she had married one of the security

2819
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:00,080
policemen

2820
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,040
and he his hitch was coming to an end

2821
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:05,520
and he didn't want to stay

2822
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:08,239
and i think he was probably jealous of

2823
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,159
june's success and he told her that she

2824
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:14,480
would have to quit her job and leave

2825
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:16,960
by that point they had a son

2826
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:18,800
so they ended up moving to portland

2827
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:19,840
oregon

2828
01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:22,080
and on i believe it was their 10th

2829
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:24,400
wedding anniversary they had been having

2830
01:52:28,229 --> 01:52:26,159
trouble in in their marriage and they

2831
01:52:30,550 --> 01:52:28,239
were trying to patch things up

2832
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,560
and the husband went out front to put

2833
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:32,639
new license tabs

2834
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:33,920
on the car

2835
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:36,320
and he was bent down over the license

2836
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:39,280
plate their young son was standing right

2837
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:42,080
there and a drunk driver came around the

2838
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:43,040
corner

2839
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:46,159
and the husband's last act was to shove

2840
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:48,639
the sun out of the way before he was

2841
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,760
killed in between the two vehicles

2842
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:53,599
and i proved that

2843
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:55,920
by going back in and finding the

2844
01:53:01,589 --> 01:52:58,800
newspaper article that talks about the

2845
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,599
horrible accident that claimed her

2846
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:03,840
husband's life you know that's one of

2847
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,159
the many details she gave me

2848
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:08,320
are you able to resume her work then

2849
01:53:13,550 --> 01:53:10,719
back no she didn't go back there but

2850
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:13,560
that leads to the rest of this in

2851
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,560
1975 she was with some friends in

2852
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:19,440
portland oregon at a halloween party and

2853
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:23,520
they had a very vivid ufo sighting of a

2854
01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:25,920
structured vehicle flying through the

2855
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,960
sky over the columbia river by portland

2856
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:30,000
oregon

2857
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:31,920
and she described it to me in great

2858
01:53:37,030 --> 01:53:34,800
length in fact she made a sketch of it i

2859
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:37,040
did not include that in the original

2860
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,960
book because i thought you know that's

2861
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:41,199
not really what this is about i was

2862
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:43,679
trying to tell her story when she was

2863
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:46,320
still associated with the air force well

2864
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:47,840
in the interim

2865
01:53:51,910 --> 01:53:50,639
i investigated a case in vancouver

2866
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:51,920
washington

2867
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:55,840
that occurred in july of 2014

2868
01:54:01,589 --> 01:53:58,800
where an individual who works for

2869
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:01,599
one of the three letter agencies

2870
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:03,679
of the united states government

2871
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:05,920
had an on-duty sighting

2872
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:08,960
of a metallic disc shaped ufo

2873
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:11,520
flying over the columbia river

2874
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,320
vancouver of course is right across the

2875
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:16,239
river from portland oregon and i'm

2876
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:19,280
speaking of vancouver washington not

2877
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,239
vancouver canada right i want to make

2878
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:24,560
that distinction not only was this

2879
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:25,840
individual

2880
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:28,960
extremely articulate and took a great

2881
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:30,000
risk

2882
01:54:34,229 --> 01:54:32,000
in making this report

2883
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:34,239
we were able to get some

2884
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:38,000
radar confirmation of an unknown vehicle

2885
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:39,840
a vehicle that did not

2886
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:42,159
have a transponder going

2887
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:44,320
in the same area where he last saw the

2888
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,599
ufo

2889
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,520
and what makes the story really

2890
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:49,199
remarkable is

2891
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,119
he's telling me first off very

2892
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:53,599
reluctantly it took a while before he

2893
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:55,840
decided that he could trust me and he's

2894
01:55:01,669 --> 01:54:58,159
telling me about seeing a

2895
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:01,679
ufo about the size of a dime held at

2896
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:04,639
arm's length metallic going across the

2897
01:55:08,149 --> 01:55:05,520
sky

2898
01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:08,159
in the middle of the day on a clear day

2899
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:10,320
and he could see the shadow underneath

2900
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:13,199
it he could see that it tilted slightly

2901
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:15,040
and then he says but that's not the

2902
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:16,239
weird part

2903
01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:18,480
and obviously i said well what's the

2904
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,520
weird part and he says it got two-thirds

2905
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:23,679
of the way across the sky and it looked

2906
01:55:27,430 --> 01:55:24,880
like somebody

2907
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:27,440
drew a line in the air

2908
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:30,639
and as this object crossed the line

2909
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:33,040
you couldn't see it anymore

2910
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:36,320
there was a blur and then it was gone

2911
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:37,199
so

2912
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:40,960
this individual is just seen this

2913
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:43,520
he's basically had his whole notion

2914
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:44,400
of

2915
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:46,719
what ought to be in the sky

2916
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:48,560
permanently shattered

2917
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:50,960
and about that time here comes an f-15

2918
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:52,960
fighter plane flying

2919
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:54,400
very fast

2920
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:57,119
in the same direction going from south

2921
01:56:00,870 --> 01:55:58,960
to north and there are

2922
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:00,880
f-15 fighters

2923
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:03,520
on standby at the portland international

2924
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:06,320
airport from the portland air national

2925
01:56:12,470 --> 01:56:08,960
guard and we were able to confirm the

2926
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:12,480
f-15 on radar as well

2927
01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:14,719
this is a great case

2928
01:56:20,229 --> 01:56:16,719
okay but when now is it connected with

2929
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:20,239
june's sighting or only only in that

2930
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:22,400
after that case

2931
01:56:26,550 --> 01:56:24,480
i decided you know

2932
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:26,560
i bet june would have wanted me to

2933
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:29,920
include her own ufo sighting so i did

2934
01:56:34,229 --> 01:56:31,920
i added it to the original book and i

2935
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:34,239
made another chapter out of it and i

2936
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:36,719
explained why i was including it because

2937
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:39,840
i thought if an individual in a high

2938
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:41,119
position

2939
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:42,880
in our government can have a broad

2940
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:44,960
daylight ufo sighting

2941
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:46,960
of a structured

2942
01:56:52,830 --> 01:56:49,199
unknown aerial vehicle

2943
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,840
in much the same area as june saw in

2944
01:56:57,350 --> 01:56:54,480
1975

2945
01:56:58,950 --> 01:56:57,360
i ought to include that so i did and

2946
01:57:00,870 --> 01:56:58,960
that's the revision

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before we go on let's talk further about

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that book and other things and also

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secret space program and the latest

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this is leslie kane and i'm with the

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coalition for freedom of information and

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i want to move to this here before we go

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on maybe we'll just disappear

3055
02:01:59,750 --> 02:01:56,880
from the mufon question after that

3056
02:02:01,990 --> 02:01:59,760
the symposium this year about the secret

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02:02:04,229 --> 02:02:02,000
space program

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ouch

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02:02:12,870 --> 02:02:09,760
i did not attend it myself

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02:02:15,990 --> 02:02:12,880
but i have heard multiple accounts

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02:02:19,510 --> 02:02:16,000
since then including one today

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02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:19,520
that was very telling and i guess

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it started for me in

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it really was best said by robert powell

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02:02:28,070 --> 02:02:26,159
when he published his

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reason for resigning

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you know because when you pick somebody

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you pick a theme for your symposium and

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02:02:38,629 --> 02:02:36,320
you pick somebody who is the

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02:02:40,629 --> 02:02:38,639
you know most well-known advocate for

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that particular theme

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02:02:47,189 --> 02:02:43,599
and you as an organization say we are

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going to make you our main attraction

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02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:50,159
you know you're kind of splitting hairs

3075
02:02:54,149 --> 02:02:52,000
if you don't say that that's some form

3076
02:02:57,109 --> 02:02:54,159
of an endorsement

3077
02:02:59,109 --> 02:02:57,119
because you basically said it's okay

3078
02:03:01,510 --> 02:02:59,119
and robert powell

3079
02:03:03,990 --> 02:03:01,520
he summed it up in two words

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02:03:06,229 --> 02:03:04,000
absolute hogwash

3081
02:03:07,830 --> 02:03:06,239
okay yeah sounds like something i could

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02:03:10,550 --> 02:03:07,840
get behind there

3083
02:03:13,350 --> 02:03:10,560
and the problem with the whole thing is

3084
02:03:15,669 --> 02:03:13,360
i guess it when i was a policeman one of

3085
02:03:17,910 --> 02:03:15,679
my favorite prosecutors

3086
02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:17,920
would lean up against the rail when he

3087
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:20,480
would do his closing arguments

3088
02:03:24,790 --> 02:03:22,480
and he would always say

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02:03:26,830 --> 02:03:24,800
ladies and gentlemen of the jury

3090
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:26,840
don't leave your common sense at the

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02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:30,000
door and that's what's wrong

3092
02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:32,159
with all of this

3093
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:35,280
is it possible that somebody could be

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02:03:40,709 --> 02:03:38,400
whisked away by time travelers from the

3095
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:40,719
future and taking on some

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02:03:44,870 --> 02:03:43,360
wild odyssey where they're battling

3097
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:44,880
reptilians

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02:03:49,990 --> 02:03:47,599
on behalf of the galactic federation and

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02:03:52,149 --> 02:03:50,000
when they're all done they're whisked

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02:03:54,390 --> 02:03:52,159
back to moments

3101
02:03:56,950 --> 02:03:54,400
after they were taken to begin with that

3102
02:03:59,910 --> 02:03:56,960
way nobody around them will ever know

3103
02:04:01,830 --> 02:03:59,920
that they're gone is that possible well

3104
02:04:04,149 --> 02:04:01,840
i suppose

3105
02:04:06,550 --> 02:04:04,159
i was thinking here it's kind of based

3106
02:04:08,310 --> 02:04:06,560
on the edgar riceborough story of john

3107
02:04:11,750 --> 02:04:08,320
carter of mars

3108
02:04:17,350 --> 02:04:14,709
and he's taken psychically to mars

3109
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:17,360
in the movie they use some kind of

3110
02:04:21,990 --> 02:04:19,920
transportation device

3111
02:04:24,390 --> 02:04:22,000
but in the original book written and i

3112
02:04:26,229 --> 02:04:24,400
guess published in 1911

3113
02:04:28,470 --> 02:04:26,239
he just sat there

3114
02:04:29,589 --> 02:04:28,480
wished himself to mars and showed up on

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02:04:31,750 --> 02:04:29,599
mars

3116
02:04:33,750 --> 02:04:31,760
and then when he returns

3117
02:04:36,629 --> 02:04:33,760
he's back in his body on earth the only

3118
02:04:38,950 --> 02:04:36,639
difference is there was no time

3119
02:04:40,629 --> 02:04:38,960
distortion or anything if he was gone

3120
02:04:42,470 --> 02:04:40,639
for five years the body would sit there

3121
02:04:44,950 --> 02:04:42,480
for five years i guess

3122
02:04:47,030 --> 02:04:44,960
in suspension so it wasn't something

3123
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:47,040
where you go away for 20 years and

3124
02:04:51,030 --> 02:04:49,360
you're five years old when you start and

3125
02:04:53,669 --> 02:04:51,040
when they return you're five years old

3126
02:04:55,750 --> 02:04:53,679
but that's a common sci-fi gimmick

3127
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:55,760
it's not unusual yeah sure it is and

3128
02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:57,440
that's the problem with the whole thing

3129
02:05:01,270 --> 02:04:59,599
it's just a gimmick

3130
02:05:04,070 --> 02:05:01,280
sci-fi is

3131
02:05:05,350 --> 02:05:04,080
is pretty cool i'm a sci-fi fan myself i

3132
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:05,360
enjoy it i actually didn't think the

3133
02:05:08,709 --> 02:05:07,119
movie was too bad as far as sci-fi

3134
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:08,719
movies go but

3135
02:05:13,030 --> 02:05:10,960
i think we need to be able to separate

3136
02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:13,040
fiction from fact

3137
02:05:16,390 --> 02:05:15,599
when it comes to ufos

3138
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:16,400
and

3139
02:05:21,350 --> 02:05:18,480
catalog it accordingly it's not like

3140
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:21,360
ufos aren't a part of ufology

3141
02:05:26,229 --> 02:05:24,159
or fiction yes ufos are part of fiction

3142
02:05:29,270 --> 02:05:26,239
and serious ufology so let's just make

3143
02:05:32,070 --> 02:05:29,280
sure we put it in the right perspective

3144
02:05:33,510 --> 02:05:32,080
i have to say from what i was told

3145
02:05:35,669 --> 02:05:33,520
there was another speaker at the

3146
02:05:37,990 --> 02:05:35,679
symposium who made corey good seem

3147
02:05:39,750 --> 02:05:38,000
pretty conservative

3148
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:39,760
that was this gentleman named andrew

3149
02:05:43,510 --> 02:05:41,520
basiago

3150
02:05:45,669 --> 02:05:43,520
oh andrew

3151
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:45,679
yes massagio who's apparently running

3152
02:05:49,189 --> 02:05:47,760
for president

3153
02:05:51,109 --> 02:05:49,199
you see i don't want to get into the

3154
02:05:54,229 --> 02:05:51,119
subject of that because that

3155
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:54,239
implies lots of things

3156
02:05:57,430 --> 02:05:56,000
what disturbed me was the person who

3157
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:57,440
called me today

3158
02:06:02,229 --> 02:06:00,400
who i will also say is a member of mufon

3159
02:06:04,310 --> 02:06:02,239
who called me from all the way across

3160
02:06:06,310 --> 02:06:04,320
the country because he wanted to talk

3161
02:06:09,030 --> 02:06:06,320
about the symposium he was at the

3162
02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:09,040
symposium and he said that i don't know

3163
02:06:14,229 --> 02:06:11,760
how you say his name the sagi obasagio

3164
02:06:17,430 --> 02:06:14,239
whatever but he was talking about

3165
02:06:20,950 --> 02:06:17,440
flowers on mars with human heads

3166
02:06:24,229 --> 02:06:20,960
and all sorts of things along that line

3167
02:06:27,669 --> 02:06:24,239
and he said that the people around him

3168
02:06:29,350 --> 02:06:27,679
were sitting there in stunned disbelief

3169
02:06:33,350 --> 02:06:29,360
because they thought he said his

3170
02:06:36,629 --> 02:06:33,360
impression was that this guy

3171
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:36,639
might not have all his oars in the water

3172
02:06:41,350 --> 02:06:39,199
now there was a song in the 60s the rain

3173
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:41,360
the park and other things

3174
02:06:45,270 --> 02:06:43,360
they mentioned the flower girl maybe

3175
02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:45,280
that's where it comes from

3176
02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:47,199
i wouldn't no

3177
02:06:54,629 --> 02:06:52,079
but i mean how i i just don't understand

3178
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:54,639
this is not the mufon that i joined i

3179
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:57,119
keep reiterating that statement if they

3180
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:58,960
have people like that

3181
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:00,719
as speakers

3182
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:02,639
something is wrong

3183
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:05,520
i i don't mind going to a conference and

3184
02:07:12,870 --> 02:07:09,920
having a wide gamut of opinions i loved

3185
02:07:15,430 --> 02:07:12,880
the ufo crash retrieval conferences i

3186
02:07:18,229 --> 02:07:15,440
was so sorry when they when they ended

3187
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:18,239
those i went to the last three of them i

3188
02:07:22,790 --> 02:07:20,480
love those events and they had a pretty

3189
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:22,800
wide range of speakers you know for

3190
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:25,679
people to choose from and i liked that

3191
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:28,320
but i like a little evidence with my

3192
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:31,599
ufos and aliens like i like cream in my

3193
02:07:34,390 --> 02:07:32,639
coffee

3194
02:07:37,910 --> 02:07:34,400
i can't do

3195
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:37,920
just wild speculation it doesn't work

3196
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:39,040
for me

3197
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:40,880
you see what happens now you got me

3198
02:07:44,629 --> 02:07:42,800
started reading the lyrics for the rain

3199
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:44,639
the park and other things

3200
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:46,880
it was sung by a family group that later

3201
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:49,040
broke up when the family broke apart

3202
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:50,880
called the cow sills

3203
02:07:53,669 --> 02:07:52,800
and started i saw her sitting in the

3204
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:53,679
rain

3205
02:08:00,629 --> 02:07:58,159
to care

3206
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:00,639
she sat there and smiled at me and then

3207
02:08:05,350 --> 02:08:03,119
i knew she could make me happy happy

3208
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:05,360
forget it i remember when the late

3209
02:08:09,669 --> 02:08:08,159
comedian steve allen would take rock and

3210
02:08:13,109 --> 02:08:09,679
roll songs

3211
02:08:15,990 --> 02:08:13,119
and read them like shakespearean plays

3212
02:08:17,030 --> 02:08:16,000
it was a crazy shtick from the 50s 60s

3213
02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:17,040
anyway

3214
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:19,360
proceed well there were some remarkable

3215
02:08:24,390 --> 02:08:22,400
lyrics to songs in that era i mean

3216
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:24,400
absolutely we could go we could start

3217
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:26,800
talking about that we'd do another three

3218
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:28,400
hours

3219
02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:30,639
sure sure sure

3220
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:33,040
i was just thinking i have to say you

3221
02:08:38,069 --> 02:08:36,480
you did keep my key me to think up you

3222
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:38,079
were talking about lyrics and whatnot

3223
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:40,159
for some reason it made me wonder if

3224
02:08:45,510 --> 02:08:43,440
mufon is like macarthur's park

3225
02:08:48,470 --> 02:08:45,520
and it's the cake that got left out in

3226
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:50,790
of course that was jimmy webb jimmy webb

3227
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:53,199
wrote that song macarthur i know

3228
02:08:57,510 --> 02:08:55,119
there was a long pause i guess that

3229
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:57,520
didn't go over but yes jimmy webb was a

3230
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:00,000
great lyric writer

3231
02:09:05,510 --> 02:09:02,400
he's still around but i guess he had his

3232
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:05,520
creative peek then of course he had

3233
02:09:10,229 --> 02:09:07,679
you know galveston

3234
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:10,239
was another big song that was with glenn

3235
02:09:12,870 --> 02:09:11,440
campbell

3236
02:09:14,550 --> 02:09:12,880
i'm looking up

3237
02:09:16,950 --> 02:09:14,560
summer rain

3238
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:16,960
a song sung by johnny rivers back in the

3239
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:19,040
60s written by a guy named carl thomas

3240
02:09:26,629 --> 02:09:21,760
anyway why are we doing this

3241
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,109
1968

3242
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:31,360
well the 60s were full of all sorts of

3243
02:09:35,270 --> 02:09:33,440
other things uh lucy in the sky with

3244
02:09:37,589 --> 02:09:35,280
diamonds i'm sure there was

3245
02:09:38,950 --> 02:09:37,599
people seeing uh a number by the way

3246
02:09:40,709 --> 02:09:38,960
it's a different summer rain the one

3247
02:09:43,589 --> 02:09:40,719
that johnny rivers sing

3248
02:09:46,870 --> 02:09:43,599
is a different one okay a jimi hendrix

3249
02:09:49,109 --> 02:09:46,880
song believe it or not

3250
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:49,119
i'm looking at the wow

3251
02:09:56,629 --> 02:09:54,629
and then belinda carlisle sang

3252
02:09:58,149 --> 02:09:56,639
a song called summer rain

3253
02:09:59,910 --> 02:09:58,159
that was totally different from that

3254
02:10:02,149 --> 02:09:59,920
summer rain it's like you have these

3255
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:02,159
songs with the same name

3256
02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:04,400
and different composers who cares more

3257
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:07,760
to come on the power cast i guess

3258
02:10:11,430 --> 02:10:09,679
we'll get away from the pop culture

3259
02:10:13,589 --> 02:10:11,440
because we can do a second show on that

3260
02:10:17,330 --> 02:10:13,599
james clarkson gene steinberg randall

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murphy you're in the paracast

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so that could be a trivia question

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sometime

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how many songs out there pop songs

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have the same name

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i guess you can't copyright the name of

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a song

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okay

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just think about that james clarkson

3384
02:15:22,950 --> 02:15:20,800
jean and randall chris o'brien on

3385
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:22,960
special assignment

3386
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:24,960
we're continuing with the craziness here

3387
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the

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02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:30,480
program

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02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:33,440
for which there's really really

3390
02:15:36,390 --> 02:15:34,239
not

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02:15:39,109 --> 02:15:36,400
any real evidence that we have any such

3392
02:15:39,910 --> 02:15:39,119
thing i mean we have spy satellites

3393
02:15:42,069 --> 02:15:39,920
and

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02:15:44,149 --> 02:15:42,079
on last week's episode of after the

3395
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:44,159
power cast chris mentions his friend ron

3396
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:45,520
regier

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02:15:49,589 --> 02:15:48,159
who's an aerospace engineer

3398
02:15:51,350 --> 02:15:49,599
and he said you know the military

3399
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:51,360
companies that the companies building

3400
02:15:55,830 --> 02:15:54,320
this stuff they knew who was doing what

3401
02:15:58,550 --> 02:15:55,840
and there's no evidence of this again

3402
02:16:01,270 --> 02:15:58,560
you know beyond spy satellites we don't

3403
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:01,280
have people who landed on the moon

3404
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:03,599
but then how many trillions of dollars

3405
02:16:07,589 --> 02:16:05,520
did donald rumsfeld say was missing

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02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:07,599
before 9 11.

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02:16:10,950 --> 02:16:09,040
no well yeah that's a whole other

3408
02:16:13,350 --> 02:16:10,960
conspiracy

3409
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:13,360
speaking of conspiracies by the way i do

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02:16:17,830 --> 02:16:14,719
want to report

3411
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:17,840
we learned as we were doing this show

3412
02:16:21,350 --> 02:16:19,119
that

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02:16:23,510 --> 02:16:21,360
jim mars has died

3414
02:16:26,390 --> 02:16:23,520
that is a great loss

3415
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:26,400
mr conspiracy theory himself no i know

3416
02:16:29,990 --> 02:16:28,079
he had kidney problems and maybe a

3417
02:16:31,750 --> 02:16:30,000
kidney transplant

3418
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:31,760
or something but then the news came down

3419
02:16:36,070 --> 02:16:34,399
today that he had died wikipedia doesn't

3420
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:36,080
have details

3421
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,479
but i did mention his death on august

3422
02:16:43,429 --> 02:16:40,479
2nd that's what we're doing this show we

3423
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:43,439
might do something there on conspiracy

3424
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:45,359
theories to honor his memory we do that

3425
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:46,800
with people

3426
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:48,399
from time to time one of our things that

3427
02:16:52,230 --> 02:16:49,200
we do

3428
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:52,240
he was a great writer and and i

3429
02:16:56,230 --> 02:16:54,719
i've often thought that if i ever taught

3430
02:16:59,509 --> 02:16:56,240
a class

3431
02:17:02,629 --> 02:16:59,519
on basic ufology i would use his book

3432
02:17:06,230 --> 02:17:02,639
the alien agenda because it was so clear

3433
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:06,240
and well put together he will be missed

3434
02:17:11,349 --> 02:17:07,920
at least i know i'm

3435
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:11,359
i'm very sad to hear this news that's

3436
02:17:19,509 --> 02:17:15,200
a terrible sad thing to end this show on

3437
02:17:22,389 --> 02:17:19,519
i guess but uh it is what it is

3438
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:22,399
yeah he was on the power cast i know

3439
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:23,760
twice

3440
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:26,319
i know we have that episode on our site

3441
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:28,319
we also have an official power cast

3442
02:17:32,709 --> 02:17:30,639
youtube channel a real one

3443
02:17:33,509 --> 02:17:32,719
that's up there now there's a fake one

3444
02:17:34,950 --> 02:17:33,519
too

3445
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:34,960
but you know who the real one is the

3446
02:17:37,669 --> 02:17:36,719
real one has artwork from red pill

3447
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:37,679
junkie

3448
02:17:40,870 --> 02:17:39,200
now if you look up the power cast you'll

3449
02:17:41,750 --> 02:17:40,880
see it right on top but there's somebody

3450
02:17:43,830 --> 02:17:41,760
up there

3451
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:43,840
with a pretend official power cast

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02:17:47,349 --> 02:17:44,880
channel

3453
02:17:49,270 --> 02:17:47,359
and we're slowly whittling that away

3454
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:49,280
the way it works with youtube by the way

3455
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:51,920
is it's three strikes you're out so when

3456
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:54,319
i see something like that i simply file

3457
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:56,559
three separate small complaints

3458
02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:58,000
knowing that by the third one they'll

3459
02:18:01,270 --> 02:17:59,439
get the message

3460
02:18:02,070 --> 02:18:01,280
or the message will get them

3461
02:18:04,790 --> 02:18:02,080
now

3462
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:04,800
this is not the first mufon symposium

3463
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:08,000
with wacky people it's just the wackiest

3464
02:18:11,429 --> 02:18:09,760
i mean they've had contactees on there

3465
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:11,439
before haven't they

3466
02:18:15,509 --> 02:18:13,280
oh i'd have to go back through and check

3467
02:18:17,270 --> 02:18:15,519
the list i've only been able to attend a

3468
02:18:19,750 --> 02:18:17,280
few of these

3469
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:19,760
i i attended the one in 95 because it

3470
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:22,319
was in seattle and i i was actually the

3471
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:23,599
security

3472
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:25,679
for that event and i got to throw philip

3473
02:18:28,870 --> 02:18:27,040
class out of

3474
02:18:31,830 --> 02:18:28,880
the event was one of my favorite moments

3475
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:31,840
in my whole time in ufology and

3476
02:18:37,669 --> 02:18:34,800
i went to the one in 2013 in las vegas

3477
02:18:39,429 --> 02:18:37,679
in the same location as now

3478
02:18:42,870 --> 02:18:39,439
and i've been to a few other mufon

3479
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:42,880
related events over the years

3480
02:18:48,709 --> 02:18:45,439
but going to the symposium regularly

3481
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:48,719
that takes a lot of money and time

3482
02:18:53,990 --> 02:18:51,519
because they do not give any breaks

3483
02:18:55,830 --> 02:18:54,000
financially to the state directors

3484
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:55,840
that's another one of my

3485
02:19:01,509 --> 02:18:58,719
pet peeves is that you give them

3486
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:01,519
hundreds of hours of your time i guess

3487
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:03,760
you would call it sweat equity

3488
02:19:08,629 --> 02:19:06,559
and you really don't get anything in

3489
02:19:11,669 --> 02:19:08,639
return

3490
02:19:13,509 --> 02:19:11,679
oh yeah i remember volunteering to

3491
02:19:15,910 --> 02:19:13,519
to sift through their files find the

3492
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:15,920
good ones put together reports

3493
02:19:19,349 --> 02:19:18,399
um i was didn't have a lot of income at

3494
02:19:21,190 --> 02:19:19,359
the time

3495
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:21,200
and uh you know i said look can i do

3496
02:19:23,030 --> 02:19:22,240
this

3497
02:19:26,070 --> 02:19:23,040
uh

3498
02:19:28,629 --> 02:19:26,080
and sort of to pay my my membership

3499
02:19:30,389 --> 02:19:28,639
and uh to you know just i'll do this for

3500
02:19:32,150 --> 02:19:30,399
you for absolutely nothing

3501
02:19:34,549 --> 02:19:32,160
um just forward me the reports and i'll

3502
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:34,559
start doing this for you and i mean it

3503
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:35,359
took

3504
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:37,280
months to even get a reply and then the

3505
02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:39,599
answer was no but they could sell me the

3506
02:19:44,309 --> 02:19:42,559
reports for something like at the time

3507
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:44,319
because this was uh before the internet

3508
02:19:48,710 --> 02:19:46,639
was popular it was like five to ten

3509
02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:48,720
bucks a you know a mailer

3510
02:19:51,349 --> 02:19:50,479
and you know how am i supposed to afford

3511
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:51,359
that

3512
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:52,800
if you want to put two or three hundred

3513
02:19:57,670 --> 02:19:56,240
reports together it's just ridiculous

3514
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:57,680
well that's that of course is the

3515
02:20:01,910 --> 02:19:59,520
problem it always ends up coming down to

3516
02:20:03,830 --> 02:20:01,920
the money which is how we got into this

3517
02:20:06,790 --> 02:20:03,840
i think how we got into this dilemma to

3518
02:20:09,110 --> 02:20:06,800
begin with and i also have to say

3519
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,120
that in order to get someone

3520
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:11,840
who is highly skilled in business

3521
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:14,240
management and development

3522
02:20:17,110 --> 02:20:15,760
you're going to have to pay them a lot

3523
02:20:20,309 --> 02:20:17,120
of money

3524
02:20:22,710 --> 02:20:20,319
which is true in the case of mufon

3525
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:22,720
so then why can't we get

3526
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:25,040
the community itself i mean we hear this

3527
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:27,200
sort of commentary over and over again

3528
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:30,000
and yet we never see a group of people

3529
02:20:35,110 --> 02:20:31,920
of like-minded people actually get

3530
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:35,120
together and really put their minds

3531
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:37,280
together to

3532
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:38,960
create something

3533
02:20:43,190 --> 02:20:41,280
in a cooperative manner everybody seems

3534
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:43,200
to be sort of defending their own little

3535
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:45,359
piece of turf and if anybody gets too

3536
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:47,680
close it's like no no i'm not interested

3537
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:50,000
in doing what you're doing but you're

3538
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:52,960
sure welcome to come help me with mine

3539
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:54,160
so

3540
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:56,399
we get this jigsaw puzzle of pieces that

3541
02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:58,880
don't really fit well and of people who

3542
02:21:02,710 --> 02:21:00,720
are more in competition with each other

3543
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:02,720
than trying to cooperate how can we

3544
02:21:06,469 --> 02:21:04,560
solve that

3545
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:06,479
well it would be nice to have a very

3546
02:21:12,309 --> 02:21:09,200
rich donor who would help us set up

3547
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:12,319
a website ongoing and pay for the

3548
02:21:15,429 --> 02:21:13,680
maintenance

3549
02:21:16,790 --> 02:21:15,439
so that we could have the sort of

3550
02:21:19,750 --> 02:21:16,800
internet

3551
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:19,760
uh meeting platform

3552
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:22,640
where we could operate an organization

3553
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,120
you know like i i keep coming back to

3554
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:27,439
the blue blurry lines people because i

3555
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:29,840
honestly think they're the model for

3556
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:32,800
uh ufo research in the future i so

3557
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:36,399
admire what they've done what they did

3558
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:38,240
we're talking here about a group of

3559
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:40,880
maybe half a dozen people or so

3560
02:21:45,030 --> 02:21:42,880
skeptics believers people in the middle

3561
02:21:47,590 --> 02:21:45,040
of the road small number of people not a

3562
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:47,600
big organization soliciting memberships

3563
02:21:51,429 --> 02:21:49,280
they came together for one purpose and

3564
02:21:53,750 --> 02:21:51,439
that was it there may be another case

3565
02:21:56,630 --> 02:21:53,760
for which they come together so maybe

3566
02:21:58,469 --> 02:21:56,640
tiny groups is the answer

3567
02:22:01,830 --> 02:21:58,479
instead of having one

3568
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:01,840
one multinational organization

3569
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:04,399
one large all-encompassing group trying

3570
02:22:08,710 --> 02:22:06,240
to get bigger and bigger

3571
02:22:10,309 --> 02:22:08,720
and sinking

3572
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:10,319
from what they have to do

3573
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:12,000
i happen to agree with you because i

3574
02:22:16,309 --> 02:22:14,240
think the problem is that when you have

3575
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:16,319
the national organization

3576
02:22:22,309 --> 02:22:18,720
the administrative aspects of the

3577
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:22,319
organization end up drowning out your

3578
02:22:25,910 --> 02:22:24,000
original purpose

3579
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:25,920
and that is what i believe has happened

3580
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:30,160
to mufon we have lost the ufos in the

3581
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:32,319
organization of mufon

3582
02:22:37,349 --> 02:22:35,200
now is it possibly frustration here the

3583
02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:37,359
reason is this organization started in

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1969

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and one of the questions i've asked here

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is what has mufon done to advance the

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cause of ufo research

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in all those years

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and the answer is i don't know not much

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of anything was it 49 years

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48 years of mufon

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1969

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and what have they accomplished

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it's the same cases

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a lot of the same people

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the same meetings reaching an older and

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older audience which is one of the

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problems with these ufo symposiums

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is that the people who attend

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are people closer in age to you and i

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james than someone even like a young

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whippersnapper like randall he's not

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quite that young

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but you know what i mean

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certainly not the age of my son who's

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31. he's not

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someone who would go to one of those

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things he'd be a rarity

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maybe the model is broken

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maybe it doesn't work anymore

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well i think you've got a point there i

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mean that's why i started the thing that

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uh i've got going

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and well actually gene and chris are

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both parts of that as well so

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i would like to hear more about that at

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some point or maybe you can send me a

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link or tell me about it because i'm

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certainly open to

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possibilities and i'm interested in

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making new connections

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you know what randall why don't you take

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a couple of minutes

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at the beginning of her final segment

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you know two or three minutes and

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explain to him what your organization's

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about then i'll ask james to tell us

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where he goes from here to pursue his

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research into the ufo enigma we have

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you're listening to the paracast the

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okay before we return to james clarkson

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jay randall murphy you've got an

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organization

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ufology society international tell us

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more

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right well back in

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about 1989 uh this is when i just after

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i encountered some of the problems we

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were talking about with mufon i

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thought well why not start something

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else under a different model something

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where people wouldn't run into the

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bureaucratic roadblocks and that would

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free them up to do their own thing and

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be able to be recognized get published

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on the internet and yet have it be

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somewhat moderated by someone who is

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level-headed and interested in the facts

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with also a partially skeptical

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healthy skeptical attitudes so i started

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usi we've got about

3767
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still about

3768
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:43,920
2200 members or so in 22 countries

3769
02:29:48,630 --> 02:29:46,319
we don't charge dues we don't have a

3770
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bureaucratic structure we don't have

3771
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these kinds of problems

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but we do have an organizational problem

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we have

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members but getting them to cooperate to

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do something

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is the trick

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so

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if there's ethical issues well members

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are free to just

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either recognize those people as

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members or colleagues or whatever

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there's no real structure that way we

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can't be infiltrated we can't be shut

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down it's an informal network

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and it has survived since 1989 we've

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still got the site online so

3787
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to me it's almost a perfect foundation

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for what we need but it's just getting

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people to take advantage of it

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that's been the hard part because of

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this problem where we've got everybody

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defending their own little piece of turf

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wanting to do it their way they don't

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want to push themselves in a direction

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where they might compromise that

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this is exciting it makes a lot of sense

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and i do

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i respect you for the fact that you

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admit up front

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what the limitations are

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and the problems that we've described

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that are occurring in mufon appear to me

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to be

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the problems that we're

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encountering in the entire field of

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ufology i agree we're still waiting for

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something bigger

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or more definitive to happen i think we

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all are

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and meanwhile we've got a huge

3811
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signal versus noise problem that cuts

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across

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all aspects of ufology

3814
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we're getting lost in all of the just

3815
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insane

3816
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excessive

3817
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reports that i can't imagine

3818
02:31:35,670 --> 02:31:33,840
you know how many of them are actually

3819
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real probably not

3820
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too terribly many

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well that's why the i joined up with the

3822
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paracast here and i've kind of joined

3823
02:31:45,510 --> 02:31:43,760
forces with gene and chris because well

3824
02:31:46,870 --> 02:31:45,520
that's their motto separating the signal

3825
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from the noise

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it's what we do here we try to do our

3827
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best and it's not always appreciated

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because sometimes we have to say well

3829
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you know how do you know that

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02:32:01,750 --> 02:31:59,120
and yet when i hear cases like the one

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you described from june we've got a she

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viewed herself as structured real craft

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something that looked like

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it was

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not one of ours and how many other

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witnesses do we have that have seen

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those things

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i think the whole idea of disclosure

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is

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irrelevant to the people who know

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that there is a reality to the phenomena

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and that maybe we'd be better off

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focusing

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our attention on those cases and on the

3845
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people like gene says the actual people

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are the evidence

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we know

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those of us who've seen these things

3849
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that it's real

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that's what we need to focus on get away

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from the politics

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boy you said that very very well all i

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can do is say bravo

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that really is the problem in a nutshell

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and and i believe this is the problem we

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strayed away from

3857
02:32:57,590 --> 02:32:54,800
i think that dr j allen heineck did a

3858
02:32:59,590 --> 02:32:57,600
really good job of basically analyzing

3859
02:33:02,309 --> 02:32:59,600
this phenomenon and breaking it down i

3860
02:33:06,150 --> 02:33:02,319
mean was it perfect was it all inclusive

3861
02:33:07,670 --> 02:33:06,160
no but he deliberately excluded lights

3862
02:33:09,110 --> 02:33:07,680
in the sky

3863
02:33:11,190 --> 02:33:09,120
as evidence

3864
02:33:13,750 --> 02:33:11,200
they're interesting you know and you

3865
02:33:16,389 --> 02:33:13,760
might see something really spectacular

3866
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:16,399
in the sky 10 miles away but is that

3867
02:33:20,550 --> 02:33:18,000
going to answer the question of what

3868
02:33:21,990 --> 02:33:20,560
ufos are no it's not

3869
02:33:23,270 --> 02:33:22,000
because we're never going to get to the

3870
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:23,280
bottom of it

3871
02:33:28,070 --> 02:33:25,520
i think we've made some progress but it

3872
02:33:30,389 --> 02:33:28,080
takes a lot of analysis that's more what

3873
02:33:31,990 --> 02:33:30,399
i do i look at the situation i say okay

3874
02:33:34,389 --> 02:33:32,000
well how can we

3875
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:34,399
apply critical thinking to this problem

3876
02:33:38,309 --> 02:33:35,840
and come up with something that makes

3877
02:33:40,389 --> 02:33:38,319
sense i mean highneck was doing much the

3878
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:40,399
same thing the lights in the sky those

3879
02:33:44,309 --> 02:33:42,080
were the nocturnal lights of course and

3880
02:33:45,349 --> 02:33:44,319
there was a number of classifications

3881
02:33:48,309 --> 02:33:45,359
for those

3882
02:33:50,950 --> 02:33:48,319
if one for example pulled some

3883
02:33:52,870 --> 02:33:50,960
relatively impossible maneuver

3884
02:33:53,910 --> 02:33:52,880
in front of a landmark of the known

3885
02:33:55,190 --> 02:33:53,920
distance

3886
02:33:57,349 --> 02:33:55,200
then that was given much more

3887
02:33:59,510 --> 02:33:57,359
credibility than say one

3888
02:34:01,110 --> 02:33:59,520
much further up in the sky the more you

3889
02:34:02,469 --> 02:34:01,120
couldn't tell how far away it is it

3890
02:34:03,590 --> 02:34:02,479
might be a firefly it might be a

3891
02:34:06,309 --> 02:34:03,600
satellite

3892
02:34:08,469 --> 02:34:06,319
yes that's exactly the problem with

3893
02:34:11,270 --> 02:34:08,479
lights in the sky and it's what i call

3894
02:34:13,429 --> 02:34:11,280
busy work and mufon that that's been the

3895
02:34:14,710 --> 02:34:13,439
busy work everybody who reports a light

3896
02:34:17,030 --> 02:34:14,720
in the sky

3897
02:34:20,389 --> 02:34:17,040
there's a mandatory lengthy form that

3898
02:34:22,230 --> 02:34:20,399
has to be completed even the form itself

3899
02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:22,240
has problems because

3900
02:34:27,349 --> 02:34:24,880
a person wants to report a ufo

3901
02:34:29,670 --> 02:34:27,359
and we give them a form

3902
02:34:30,710 --> 02:34:29,680
that they open up the internal revenue

3903
02:34:32,630 --> 02:34:30,720
service

3904
02:34:35,190 --> 02:34:32,640
would be proud of the mufon reporting

3905
02:34:38,389 --> 02:34:35,200
form because it's bewildering

3906
02:34:40,469 --> 02:34:38,399
overwhelming and has many many blanks

3907
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:40,479
that they want you to fill out and of

3908
02:34:45,830 --> 02:34:43,520
course almost nobody fills them out and

3909
02:34:48,630 --> 02:34:45,840
of course once again it doesn't

3910
02:34:51,030 --> 02:34:48,640
ask about the witness it asks about the

3911
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:51,040
event you are so right about that gene i

3912
02:34:55,990 --> 02:34:53,520
know you keep bringing this up but i

3913
02:34:58,870 --> 02:34:56,000
have to really say that yeah again

3914
02:35:01,910 --> 02:34:58,880
really the people themselves

3915
02:35:04,630 --> 02:35:01,920
are the evidence when a person sees

3916
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:04,640
something it's not simply just well i

3917
02:35:07,910 --> 02:35:06,160
saw something and therefore it might

3918
02:35:08,950 --> 02:35:07,920
have been real but there's a lot of good

3919
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:08,960
reasons

3920
02:35:13,830 --> 02:35:11,520
to think that if a person sees something

3921
02:35:16,150 --> 02:35:13,840
something was actually there there's the

3922
02:35:17,349 --> 02:35:16,160
stimulus response it's a scientific

3923
02:35:18,870 --> 02:35:17,359
phenomenon

3924
02:35:20,150 --> 02:35:18,880
okay james

3925
02:35:22,309 --> 02:35:20,160
last couple of minutes what are your

3926
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:22,319
plans for the future you freed yourself

3927
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:23,600
from mufon

3928
02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:25,520
where do you go from here well number

3929
02:35:29,750 --> 02:35:27,359
one i've created something called the

3930
02:35:31,670 --> 02:35:29,760
ufo research group and i'm working on

3931
02:35:33,590 --> 02:35:31,680
getting the website once again that's

3932
02:35:35,349 --> 02:35:33,600
been slowed down by the

3933
02:35:38,550 --> 02:35:35,359
personal issues that i'm dealing with

3934
02:35:41,110 --> 02:35:38,560
but i'm going to be seeking out a few

3935
02:35:43,750 --> 02:35:41,120
researchers and i emphasize few

3936
02:35:45,590 --> 02:35:43,760
to work on the cases that i've described

3937
02:35:49,030 --> 02:35:45,600
hopefully with peter davenport bill

3938
02:35:51,590 --> 02:35:49,040
puckett and whatever other cases that i

3939
02:35:54,630 --> 02:35:51,600
can find obviously i would love to find

3940
02:35:58,070 --> 02:35:54,640
another june crane i would always like

3941
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:58,080
to talk to law enforcement officers

3942
02:36:03,110 --> 02:36:01,040
or pilots or military people because of

3943
02:36:06,150 --> 02:36:03,120
my law enforcement background i think

3944
02:36:08,070 --> 02:36:06,160
that i understand the issues

3945
02:36:10,790 --> 02:36:08,080
that a law enforcement officer might

3946
02:36:13,190 --> 02:36:10,800
face when i was back in eureka springs i

3947
02:36:14,790 --> 02:36:13,200
ended up talking to a missouri highway

3948
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:14,800
patrolman now

3949
02:36:20,870 --> 02:36:18,560
retired who got chased by a ufo while he

3950
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:20,880
was on duty you know those are the kinds

3951
02:36:26,710 --> 02:36:23,520
of reports i would like to devote myself

3952
02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:26,720
to i'm working on a historical project

3953
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:29,680
related to deputy dale spower of the

3954
02:36:34,950 --> 02:36:32,880
portage county ohio sheriff's office he

3955
02:36:38,670 --> 02:36:34,960
was part of one of the most famous

3956
02:36:40,230 --> 02:36:38,680
police pursuits of all time on april 17

3957
02:36:42,469 --> 02:36:40,240
1966

3958
02:36:44,950 --> 02:36:42,479
i've got a number of research projects

3959
02:36:47,830 --> 02:36:44,960
that i'm i want to devote myself to and

3960
02:36:50,070 --> 02:36:47,840
quite frankly being away from mufon will

3961
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:50,080
allow me to do a much better job if

3962
02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:51,600
someone wants to get in touch with you

3963
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:52,960
where do they go

3964
02:36:56,790 --> 02:36:55,359
my email is very simple

3965
02:36:59,349 --> 02:36:56,800
ufo

3966
02:37:01,389 --> 02:36:59,359
reality all one word

3967
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:01,399
at

3968
02:37:09,590 --> 02:37:04,560
comcast.net i have a website

3969
02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:11,590
hey you can find us on twitter if you

3970
02:37:15,990 --> 02:37:14,319
look for the powercast or at

3971
02:37:18,469 --> 02:37:16,000
the powercast if we're going to use

3972
02:37:20,790 --> 02:37:18,479
precision with twitter

3973
02:37:22,710 --> 02:37:20,800
there are also two official powercast

3974
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:22,720
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3975
02:37:25,349 --> 02:37:24,560
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3976
02:37:27,510 --> 02:37:25,359
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3977
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:27,520
post something in our timeline

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02:37:31,750 --> 02:37:29,680
we also have that other radio show after

3979
02:37:34,070 --> 02:37:31,760
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3980
02:37:36,309 --> 02:37:34,080
special guest will be robert powell who

3981
02:37:37,990 --> 02:37:36,319
recently stepped down as the director of

3982
02:37:39,670 --> 02:37:38,000
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3983
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:39,680
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3984
02:37:43,190 --> 02:37:40,800
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3985
02:37:45,349 --> 02:37:43,200
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4006
02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:27,359
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4007
02:38:30,790 --> 02:38:29,840
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4008
02:38:32,070 --> 02:38:30,800
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4009
02:38:33,590 --> 02:38:32,080
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02:38:38,309 --> 02:38:35,359
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